Bernie has the greatest leverage in a potential third party, though with the system we have I think it’ll just lead to the left losing again because of a voter split.
Assuming the elections will be fair with trump around, he effectively bypassed court already, he can adjust procedures to solidify his successor
I’ve long wondered why the populist democrats haven’t been pushing harder for ranked choice voting options, or proportional representation, or any other voting system than what we have. I’m no election expert, so I’m sure there’s a reason, but it’s disheartening to be trapped between two parties.
Because they’ll lose power too. I live in blue Oregon and it was on the ballot in November, but both parties came out against it with nonsense about how popular candidates will lose, your votes will be stolen, etc, etc and it was resoundly defeated. All their rhetoric about helping the working class are blatant lies they tell you to get elected which is why we’ve been on a steady downward trend as a country for decades regardless of which of these “two” sides hold office.
The Democrats in charge benefit from the status quo. It’s that simple. They would prefer to let Republicans win elections if the only other option is letting a pro worker candidate win.
i say they benefit from Rs winning, because they get to grift as much as the gop, without getting the blame of the disastrous policies the gop enacts every election cycle. and when it comes time for Ds to get elected, they benefit/grift even more. THE CULTURE WAR BS is just to distract republicans and to an extent some dem voters from them noticing orchestrating this behind the scenes as a uniparty, by extension also to protect thier billionaire donors. sanders, aoc, MAYBE walz? are totally outsiders and are not privelieged to the grift of the dnc and gop.
Even whitmer recently have been seen shilling for trump, lowkey wise.(she entertained him twice to work with him)
it also kinda make sense why a lot of dems are also DINOS too.
The outcome would be no worse than the last election, so why not go for it anyway?
Bernie is the best positioned to get serious traction in a 3rd party in relatively short order. It’s one of my greatest wishes that he utilize the influence he has now to do just that, because the Dems are absolutely a lost cause and they will never provide a way out of fascism.
I don’t think a 3rd party is necessary when anyone can run as an independent. Bernie has always shown the path forward. More folks just need to follow his example.
If you’re worried about splitting the vote, then maybe the liberals in the Democratic party should fall in line behind Bernie. I love this presumption that it should always be the progressives who fall in line and vote for the “lesser evil” right wing candidates every single time. Look where that has gotten us.
Bernie has the greatest leverage in a potential third party, though with the system we have I think it’ll just lead to the left losing again because of a voter split.
Assuming the elections will be fair with trump around, he effectively bypassed court already, he can adjust procedures to solidify his successor
he or AOC could announce their third party run now and demand the democratic left get behind them in advance
form a coalition with them or else.
I’ve long wondered why the populist democrats haven’t been pushing harder for ranked choice voting options, or proportional representation, or any other voting system than what we have. I’m no election expert, so I’m sure there’s a reason, but it’s disheartening to be trapped between two parties.
its a threat to them thats why, as it is also a threat to the republicans.
Because they’ll lose power too. I live in blue Oregon and it was on the ballot in November, but both parties came out against it with nonsense about how popular candidates will lose, your votes will be stolen, etc, etc and it was resoundly defeated. All their rhetoric about helping the working class are blatant lies they tell you to get elected which is why we’ve been on a steady downward trend as a country for decades regardless of which of these “two” sides hold office.
The Democrats in charge benefit from the status quo. It’s that simple. They would prefer to let Republicans win elections if the only other option is letting a pro worker candidate win.
i say they benefit from Rs winning, because they get to grift as much as the gop, without getting the blame of the disastrous policies the gop enacts every election cycle. and when it comes time for Ds to get elected, they benefit/grift even more. THE CULTURE WAR BS is just to distract republicans and to an extent some dem voters from them noticing orchestrating this behind the scenes as a uniparty, by extension also to protect thier billionaire donors. sanders, aoc, MAYBE walz? are totally outsiders and are not privelieged to the grift of the dnc and gop.
Even whitmer recently have been seen shilling for trump, lowkey wise.(she entertained him twice to work with him)
it also kinda make sense why a lot of dems are also DINOS too.
I try not to be terribly pessimistic. But a part of me knows you’re right.
The outcome would be no worse than the last election, so why not go for it anyway?
Bernie is the best positioned to get serious traction in a 3rd party in relatively short order. It’s one of my greatest wishes that he utilize the influence he has now to do just that, because the Dems are absolutely a lost cause and they will never provide a way out of fascism.
unfortunately hes like 80+years old right now, so are people willing to vote for someone that old.
I don’t think a 3rd party is necessary when anyone can run as an independent. Bernie has always shown the path forward. More folks just need to follow his example.
I love how you compressed an entire movement and the splitting of the progressive vote and another 4 years of GqPs as one word. What’s very efficient.
What is gqp? I’ve seen that a few times, and 4 seconds of Internet searching has yielded no useful information.
If you’re worried about splitting the vote, then maybe the liberals in the Democratic party should fall in line behind Bernie. I love this presumption that it should always be the progressives who fall in line and vote for the “lesser evil” right wing candidates every single time. Look where that has gotten us.