This information is being reported at a couple of international sites, but (if accurate) it has apparently been blacked out in the U.S.
The bomber at a fertility clinic in Palm Springs, California, has been identified as a 25-year-old man who left an online manifesto in which he described himself as a pro-mortalist, saying people didn’t give consent to exist.
The suspect is Guy Edward Bartkus, a 25-year-old man from Twentynine Palms, a small city about 35 miles northeast of Palm Springs. He left a 30-minute audio recording in which he explained his motive for the attack.
“I figured I would just make a recording explaining why I’ve decided to bomb an IVF building, or clinic,” he said at the beginning of the recording. “Basically, it just comes down to I’m angry that I exist and that, you know, nobody got my consent to bring me here.”
Describing himself as anti-life, he adds: “I’m very against [IVF], it’s extremely wrong. These are people who are having kids after they’ve sat there and thought about it. How much more stupid can it get?”
There was a time, almost exactly 2000 years ago, when you could take for granted that people loved being alive and loved themselves. So much so that a source from the period said, “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater […]”
Maybe the big question should not be whether someone can consent to being brought to life, but why on earth we find ourselves in a world where people question what was so obvious in the past. That is, the problem is not whether we should have children or not, but how to ensure that the children we have, love living in the world we make for them.
I agree with the second paragraph completely. Although I’m not sure about the accuracy or relevancy of the first paragraph.
Around 2000 years ago the Romans held slaves and were crucifying people by the thousands. Amphitheaters hosted gladiator games and executions while huge crowds watched. A quick count on Wikipedia lists more than 40 wars just involving Rome from 200 BC to 200 AD and there were dozens of wars involving China during the same period. There were undoubtedly hundreds if not thousands of additional undocumented battles around the world.
There’s plenty of evidence that 2000 years ago you could not “take it for granted that people loved being alive and loved themselves”, including the fact that a “source” would feel it necessary to issue an order requiring people to love their neighbors.
And quality of life was so much shittier without modern medicine. This is why people would have like eight kids. Since half of them wouldn’t survive infancy. And the mentality or motivation to do such a thing only comes from this propaganda which is what guy in OP is apparently complaining about.
Sounds like commie drivel, straight to the coal mines with you!
Right to jail, right away.
Shut up and get back to work! You must create capital for those at the top to enjoy, this is the only point to life.
That is the right takeaway I think
Is there really none other commandment greater? Aren’t you supposed to love god first? Aren’t the first three commandments all about loving god, because god is all powerful, but also super insecure.
The three commandments you mention are from the Ten Commandments, Old Testament stuff. There is one commandment listed before this one, and it’s to love God above all else. The ellipsis at the end of my quote stands for, “than these.”
Because we live in a time in history that is like no other. In comparison to the past, we have access to foods and clothes that kings can only dream of. Prosperity is in abundance for many (relatively speaking to the past) and many are far detached from violence.
(Minus places like Gaza and many others across the world)
My guess is these conditions plus the breakdown in family and community bonds is what creates these characters who do things like this.
Your theory is that things are so good it contributed to someone bombing a fertility clinic our of nihilism?
I’ll agree that the “good old days” perspective is wrong, that people have always managed to make each other miserable. I’ll extend that further to say that “characters like this” also aren’t new. Crazy murderous guys are throughout history. This one making global news kind of shows how very particular and rare this brand of character is.
Ah yes, let me completely ignore what the person wrote and ignore the fact that they also mentioned that a break down in community and family bonds contributes to these issues.
How can I take you seriously when you straw man me like this?
I referenced both parts of your comment. First that things were good without any segue as to why you think this contributes.
Then to your assertion that we now have these and didn’t have then before due to lack of community, and I find that to be odd to say about a currently isolated incident that had nearly zero precedent.