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  • Lembot_0002@lemm.ee
    124·
    3 days ago

    Any economy is worse than it’s according government says. All governments lie about the economy.

    An important question is when the Russian economy would fall below the level of functioning. Nobody has an answer. Maybe even Russians :)

    • Valmond@lemmy.world
      261·
      3 days ago

      This is just untrue in democracies with transparency, you can look up the (real) numbers yourself, as can economists and journalists.

      In dictatorships you must trust the numbers given to you, so there yeah they’ll lie their teeths off.

      • Lembot_0002@lemm.ee
        126·
        3 days ago

        This is just untrue in democracies with transparency

        We don’t have “democracies with transparency”

        you can look up the (real) numbers yourself

        I can’t. And you can’t. Real numbers are not provided. “you must trust the numbers given to you”

        • Oniononon@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          31·
          2 days ago

          We don’t have “democracies with transparency

          Spend less time consuming tankie propaganda.

          • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            16 hours ago

            I mean we don’t, my government can spend tens of billions on literally nothing and then spend millions more investigating where all that money went. We certainly have democracies but part of what we vote for is who’s raiding the public purse.

            • Oniononon@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              1·
              16 hours ago

              Any system more complex than you managing your own wallet is going to hemorrage resources. And even you hemorrage money when you manage your own wallet. Its better than the alternative. There has never been a perfect system and there wont be either.

        • IsoKiero@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          6·
          3 days ago

          I can’t. And you can’t. Real numbers are not provided. “you must trust the numbers given to you”

          I can if I really want to. Down to the last receipt, excluding someones personal information and stuff like that, but in here all that data is public. Not in a sense that everything besides accounting and other “bigger picture” things would be online, but it’s public information anyways and it has to be accessible. Sure, I would definetly annoy the shit out of some poor secretary (or more likely multiple of them) digging up everything and it would take a long time, but it’s still public.

          • Lembot_0002@lemm.ee
            18·
            3 days ago

            It isn’t public. And it surely isn’t verifiable. “You must trust the numbers given to you”

            • Kornblumenratte@feddit.org
              1·
              2 days ago

              AFAIK, in Sweden it is public, because they figured out some centuries ago that complete financial transparency is the best remedy against despotism. I doubt there is another country, though, so your point still stands 194/195 or so.

              • Lembot_0002@lemm.ee
                1·
                2 days ago

                Really? Good for Sweden. But how is it done? Do they really have a database with all income/payment transactions?

                • Kornblumenratte@feddit.org
                  1·
                  21 hours ago

                  AFAIK, you have to go to the office holding the records and ask for them. They did put it online, but found out that total machine readable transparency hccesdible to every scammer on the internet has downsides as well and reverted to the old system.

                  Disclaimer: I’m no Swede and I do not have any special knowledge about this. My brain is just wired to hold on every bit of information unrelated to my life and drop every important or usable info. I’m 99.9 % convinced that I came across this story several times in my life on different occasions from usually reliable sources. And the last time I heard about this quirk of Swedish bureaucracy might be 15–20 years ago.