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Danish Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said on Wednesday he would call in the acting U.S. ambassador to Denmark for talks after the Wall Street Journal reported Washington had ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to step up spying on Greenland.
“I have read the article in the Wall Street Journal and it worries me greatly because we do not spy on friends,” Rasmussen told reporters during an informal meeting of EU foreign ministers in Warsaw.
“We are going to call in the U.S. acting ambassador for a discussion at the foreign ministry to see if we can confirm this information, which is somewhat disturbing,” Rasmussen added.
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Seem like we have already forgotten that it was totally normal for the US to spy on „friends“.
Even after the disclosure that NSA spied on Angela Merkel, Barack Obama agued on German TV that, „the surveillance was necessary for international security“.
So when Donald Trump says he needs Greenland for international security, and even threatens with military force, it really is no surprise that the US is spying on „friends“ again.
We always have. There are plans for every scenario, every decent sized country and they change continuously. Ironically this is because ya never know when some crackpot dictator may get elected and go off script.
Yep. There’s always been spying from foreign governments’ intelligence services on allies (especially from the US and the UK because they have such vast surveillance capabilities and budgets), and there’s always been commercial spying (e.g. Google, Apple, MS, and others collecting vast amounts of data on everyone using their proprietary software), which then could also be bought by intelligence services to expand their data mountain. It’s really nothing new at all. Also, this was all basically part of the infrastructure already. Of course it’s going to keep running.
Also, there were these thin excuses of “data protection” agreements between US and EU like “Privacy Shield”, which were on incredibly shaky or non-existent legal grounds the whole time (some of them also got taken down already because they were such a joke to begin with), only to sort of “legitimize” and “make legal” the vast amounts of sensitive data that are flowing from EU to US when using US software and services, despite EU laws stating that many of those data transfers aren’t actually legal. Basically, to protect their own institutions as well as tons of EU businesses who are trapped in, for example, the Microsoft software ecosystem, so that they can continue to use these software products containing spyware and not feel too guilty about it because it sort of got defined as being lawful.
So all of this, including the hypocrisy behind it, is nothing new at all. In theory, we have all these fancy data protection laws, but in reality, almost everyone either ignores them or doesn’t get it.
What’s new is only that before Trumps’ 2nd term, this sort of stuff was “accepted” as either “necessary” (in regards to the intelligence services spying, because this always was excused with “national security” reasons, which has been the favorite universal wildcard excuse for any sort of mischief by government institutions) or simply as “irrelevant” (in regards to everything concerning data flowing somewhere where it shouldn’t be flowing to at all) by a majority of the population including politicians and other entities which could hit the brakes on this stuff. And it is only now when people realized that Trump’s 2nd term might turn the US into a fascist rogue country, that there is some kind of regret suddenly growing about the own previous mindset. But only now. As long as the US was interpreted as being our friendly ally, it was never officially considered to be any sort of problem, maybe even considered beneficial. Except of course by experts in the area, but who listens to experts, right?