I fucking hate the ‘quiet quitting’ term. It puts the onus on the people who are tired of the inhumane hours and treatment, and the accompanying meager pay. Instead of putting it on the companies and government whose policies and ethics are fostering these awful conditions which engender these sorts of worker responses. It’s not quiet quitting. It’s holding boundaries between work and personal life. It’s not allowing the company to steal your time away from you. It’s preventing the company from overstepping their position in your life. It’s so many things that are important and ‘quiet quitting’ does those people a disservice in favor of a catchy corporate approved soundbite. I find that disgusting.
FYI the “Japanese crazy long hours and hard work ethic” BS only applies to corporate jobs.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country
“Quiet quitting” is not a trend. Like, at all. If you have a coworker that doesn’t want to do their job, your employer has a shitty employee. That’s it, an isolated incident. The term itself is basically the same as boomers screeching about how “nobody wants to work anymore”…
we should normalize to punch everyone in the gut who uses the words “quiet quitting”.
It was probably higher before, but it wasn’t as acceptable to say it as it is today.
Heh, I’ve seen this personally. I work for a Japanese company, and part of my job is coordinating tooling installations with the factory I’m stationed at (pick a chip fab in the US, I’ve probably been there). When we get a tool onsite, I get an install team directly from our factory in Japan who handles all the physical installation aspects. They work hard, efficiently, and with the utmost care for the finer details (some of these tools are expected to last 20+ years - we have a few that have been in production for nearly as long with very little fuss). Occasionally, they will finish their tasks early the last couple days and take off after lunch, letting me know of this beforehand and that their daily reports will be sent to me and other relevant managers at the “usual” time, with a wink and a nod.
I don’t care how much time they clock, as long as shit gets done properly. Haven’t had any issues.
How is this related to quiet quitting?
Generally, leaving work early in Japan is (was?) seen as lazy and a sign of a morally dubious person. Keep in mind that, traditionally, people in Japan are expected to work 12-16 hour days with no complaints and, for businesspeople, sleep at the office if there is a lot of work to be done.
The fact that people are eager to leave early and don’t think of it as inherently shameful signifies a huge shift in culture.
Considering the article specifically mentions Japan, and that typical Japanese work culture is quite literally the opposite of what I’ve observed, I think this is very related.
It is an interesting anecdote that was worth sharing, but quiet quitting employees underperform and do the bare minimum while watching the seconds until the end of their shift. Your teams are doing the opposite.
You can’t say employees are both doing the bare minimum and underperforming. It doesn’t make sense.
Hmm, what’s your definition of quiet quitting? The definition I understand is doing your job as it is described to you, but not doing any of the “going the extra mile” for free, or putting in extra effort beyond what the job description entails.
I’m also curious if those replying to you also have the same or different definitions, since conversations only work if we agree on the definition of terms.
Japanese work culture often meant staying late and working unpaid overtime to appear extra-productive. Now you’ve got an anecdote describing people who finish the job, consider their work done, and cut out early despite not having fulfilled an arbitrarily dictated number of hours worked. It is a sharp reversal in behavior.
The Japanese work ethic doesn’t even make sense and does more harm than good. If you don’t have time for yourself or family the society will collapse (already happening). To be clear, I’m not talking about being diligent work, but working 8+ hours every single day.
Many Japanese don’t leave work at 5pm even though those are the official business hours because it’s rude to leave before the boss leaves. So people stay at work until 7 or 8pm. Many times having to also go drinking with co-workers or the boss. So, depending on the day, you may end up with 1-2 hours for yourself. No wonder they aren’t having children, and depression rates are sky high.
Same applies to Korea.
This is what happens in societies that have increasing income inequality.
Why should workers feel compelled to bust their asses when it benefits their bosses, but not themselves?
Yeah because they started to get fucked over
Started?
Thank goodness. Now when im napping during work I can feel less guilty thinking about Japan doing it too.
When you’re napping, know that someone in Japan is also asleep, but largely because of the time change.
Thanks friend. Lol
ow when im napping during work I can feel less guilty thinking about Japan doing it too.
if questioned, tell your Boss, you are practicing a japanese work ethic
Fuck the term quiet quitting. Call it what it is, doing your job.
Employee burnout is a symptom of a toxic work culture, and “quiet quitting” is a corporate psyop invented to prevent you from noticing it.
Wtf is quiet quitting
Literally doing your job. And nothing else.
Doing what you’re paid to do without doing extra shit.
“Businesses can no longer rely solely on the goodwill of employees that they have financially and emotionally abused to the point of class collapse.”
People are just doing the bare minimum and that’s not ok by the CEO.
It’s corporate media term for doing what your job requires, but not giving your time to companies for free
Corpo media licking boots so hard they’re literally breathless
Corpos own the media, so they’re literally just the trumpets of money hoarders
But why quitting?
Why not
Quiet Cocooning
because if you’re not giving your all to the company, are you really working?
No one gives their time to a company for free. That’s volunteering. Getting paid doesn’t mean you’re quiet quitting.
Quiet quitting means doing the absolute minimum not to get fired, showing no initiative or ambition. Employers often expect you to work extra hard and do a bunch of bonus work to try to get promoted or a raise. They believe all this extra work is part of what they’re paying for. But an employee who has quiet quit will do none of that, accept that the job is a dead end job, and just do the minimum to keep from getting fired.
People do give their time to companies for free- it’s called working free overtime and tons of people do it (exempt employee pain), which is why employers are not happy with the change. What my comment says is just the short version of what you’re saying- you’re doing what the job requires and no more
It’s doing the bare minimum, sometimes below the minimum so that they have to fire you. Like how you would act if your boss yelled at you for no reason and you no longer care about your job.
So is the goal to actually get fired? Or to just not go for a promotion? I’m a little confused.
Or is it the guy from office space? “[make a guy]…work just hard enough to not get fired.”
Edit: Oh… I’ve got a good way to help clarify this…
Another office space reference, but I think this quantifies it well:
So if they ask you to wear 37 pieces of flair, is quiet quitting wearing 35, 36, 37, or 38 pieces of flair?
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and that’s a write up for explicit underperformance and en route to being let go.
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is basically the same thing but could be taken as a technicality or mistake.
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is technically right, but a lot of shitty bosses will have a fit with their own standards and be all passive aggressive about it, and may even rock the boat until they have to fire you.
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is juuust above the bare minimum, so they can’t say shit, but you won’t be getting a promotion anytime soon.
And anything above that, I’m just going to categorize as not quiet quitting for sake of simplicity. Don’t worry about performance percentages, that’s not the point here.
“Quiet quitting” would be 37 or even 38 in your example. Basically doing what’s in your job description, but nothing more. Setting clear work/life boundaries where you aren’t accessible to do work for your boss/manager outside of working hours (even if they just want you to answer some emails while you’re on vacation or whatever), and not doing stuff that you aren’t qualified for/isn’t in your job description and that you aren’t getting paid extra to do.
People have started refusing to let companies expect more than they’re paying for, and it’s pissed them off, so they’re calling it “quiet quitting.”
The goal is apathy. How can I put in the absolute minimum amount of effort to not get fired with the mindset that if I did get fired it wouldn’t be the end of the world. It generally comes from feeling like you aren’t appreciated or properly compensated from your job.
I think the guy from office space with the “work just hard enough to not get fired” sums it up perfectly
It’s not a new concept as office space made a joke about it in the 90s but it’s a current buzzword and becomes more applicable as the gap between C suites and average employees continues to grow
“[make a guy]…work just hard enough to not get fired.”
This one.
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so goes Japan, so goes the world!!! ive been quiet quitting since i entered the work force
Hard work is rewarded with more work and the extra value is pocketed by a C-Suite.
Good
Japan has strong worker protections. It is very difficult to fire an employee in Japan, without showing that the employee committed a crime. Employees can do practically nothing at work and still get paid. Call in sick as much as they want and the only penalty is not getting paid sick days once they run out of paid sick leave and vacation days. If an employer does mass layoffs, they have to show that the company is on the verge of bankruptcy and they have tried everything else, including reducing the pay of executives or removing executive positions before firing employees. Elon Musk is in hot water in Japan for mass firing Twitter employees in Japan. He violated Japanese labor laws.
It’s a different culture altogether, where a job is expected"for life", which also makes it difficult to quit a job. People are literally hiring other people to deliver their resignation notices because it’s impossible to do in person.
No, not that I have seen. Job for life is some outdated Boomer generation shit. When people want to quit they just quit. But quitting on your own may mean no unemployment benefits. When an employer wants a worker to leave, for whatever reason, they come to ask the employee to resign and offer them some money for agreeing to quit. Usually about 3 months pay. The employee can also collect unemployment benefits for several months if the resignation is at the request of the employer. So if you want to quit, it’s better to make your boss want you to leave, without committing any crimes. That way they ask you to resign. Much better than it was in the USA.
People mostly, from what I understand, hire those companies to avoid harassment and trying to be bullied into continuing to work for shitty companies.
It’s hard to get fired as a permanent employee, but not impossible. That said, the idea of “lifetime” employment is definitely not what it used to be.
So when the CEO of Nintendo cut his salary due to the poor sales of the Wii U and every American tech writer praised him for it, that was just common practice in Japan?
He voluntarily cut his salary in half. That’s more along the lines of taking responsibility than shoring up the company. CEO pay is a tiny percentage of revenue, despite what lemmy thinks. To make a serious dent, pay would have to be cut across all the C suite, and much deeper.
CEO pay is a tiny percentage of revenue, despite what lemmy thinks
It is the most obvious symptom of the problem, that’s for sure, no wonder it’s the most targeted
Every thread where you see “ceo of failing company gets $3M bonus” followed by “those workers could have used that” ignores the fact that there are so many employees that, divided evenly, it’s never more than $5, and frequently less than a dollar.
Yes, that’s technically better than nothing. And I agree the CEO doesn’t deserve a bonus if their company is failing. But focusing on this is missing the bigger picture of the lack of workers’ rights in America, and paints a target on the wrong people (CEOs instead of the government).
They have to try reducing or eliminating the costs at the upper levels before trying to fire the wage slaves in Japan, so yes.
Japan has strong worker protections
this doesn’t apply to contractors and part-time employees, AFAIK
This is for full-time “permanent” employees known as 正社員 (seishain). There are cases where a long-term contract worker gains those same protections (I think after 5 years, but I’m not too up on that).
Various other types of employment have their own restrictions and freedoms to varying degrees on both sides, but I’m not super knowledgeable there.
That was several years ago, so surely the water isn’t that hot. Have they tried bringing it to a rolling boil yet?
As with most governments, Japan has a justice system that works slowly and methodically. Thousands of workers were not given their required notice or severance pay when they were unilaterally terminated. Twitter / Musk cannot make the case that the company was on the verge of bankruptcy and didn’t even bother trying to. He just assumed because workers have no rights in the USA that he could do the same thing in Japan that he does in America. By not paying the workers their severance or giving them proper notice he opened himself up to each individual having the ability to sue him for at least a year’s salary, probably more. The government can also attach additional fines and penalties because they have to dish out unemployment benefits for all of those workers because Musk broke the law. The water will boil when it boils and it won’t stop.
Ooh, ‘boil the billionaires’ has a nice ring to it
The phrase “quiet quitting” really grinds my gears. Are you fulfilling the terms of your employment contract? Yes? Then you’re working, and haven’t quit.
I’m not quiet quitting, I’m doing exactly the work I am paid to do and no more of the extra stuff I’m not paid to do.
