I wish the libs coping here a very friendly material analysis.
This seems like an attempt to inject the narrative that support for the war is waning.
Classic WSJ.
Imagine living in a bubble where the support for the war isn’t waning.
I encourage you to try engaging with reality https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/support-for-ukraine-aid-softens-in-u-s-public-poll-says
Just try and pay attention to whose work you are doing.
I’m pretty sure I’m not doing the work of the genocidal US empire as some people are here.
no, just an imperial, genocidal, racist Russia instead. bravo.
Not that this is a competition, but Russia isn’t even in the same league as US when it comes to genocide and racism. You lot murdered so many native people that the global climate cooled. Meanwhile, in more recent history your country murdered over 6 million people in your war on terror. Not to mention the horrors your shithole country has enacted upon Latin America. And then when people from there flee you put them in concentration camps.
I’m not sure carrying water for the WSJ and “doing the work of the genocidal US empire” are separable. Maybe you should find better sources than the WSJ to support your pro-Russian imperialist stance. It would fit the narrative better.
If you disagree with the specific points the article makes then feel free to articulate them.
Published on Feb 15, 2023 12:47 PM EDT
Are you claiming support has gone up since then, please do link your sources.
putting more words in my mouth, i see.
If you weren’t implying that the article isn’t representative of the current situation then do elaborate on what your comment actually meant using your own words.
Wall Street Journal
RIGHT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation.
Analysis / Bias
The Walls Street Journal hasn’t endorsed US political candidates since 1928; however, they are criticized for supporting far-right populist politicians abroad. For example, in South America, they all but endorsed far-right Congressman Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil’s presidential election. They have also written favorably about Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet. The WSJ has been strongly criticized for its pro-Trump coverage. According to The Atlantic, there was an alleged conflict about how to cover Trump, resulting in an opinion editor’s departure.
In review, the WSJ utilizes emotionally loaded language in their editorial headlines that favor the right, such as this: “Wrap It Up, Mr. Mueller Democratic dilemma: Impeach Trump for lying about sex?” They also frequently promote anti-climate change messages such as this: “The Phony War Against CO2.” Here is another example from an editorial on Trump’s position on climate change “Not the Climate Apocalypse: The EPA’s power rule won’t save coal and won’t poison the planet.” Further, IFCN fact checker Climate Feedback has cited numerous editorials in which the Wall Street Journal uses very low scientific credibility. The pro-science Climate Science & Policy Watch has also criticized the WSJ for rejecting the 97% consensus of climate scientists. Lastly, The Guardian has an article describing how the WSJ “peddles big oil propaganda” while “disguising climate misinformation as opinion.”
When reporting regular news, the WSJ uses minimally loaded words such as this: China Agrees to Reduce Tariffs on U.S. Autos. News articles are also adequately sourced to credible media outlets like the Financial Times and Washington Post.
more at MediaBiasFactCheck.com
Media Bias Fact Check, the site that makes no distinction between centrism and being unbiased.
your opinion ≠ fact, although you’re welcome to attempt to prove your claim.
Are you saying that being a centrist and being unbiased are the same? Is there no such thing as a centrist bias?
And don’t say I’m putting words in your mouth. You said that my comment isn’t fact, so what about it isn’t factual?
Or are you saying the site does make that distinction? Because their scale of left bias - unbiased - right bias with a complete lack of centrist bias is proof that they don’t. Here’s the proof of my claim, right from their website, the center is labeled “least biased”:
Amazing that a grown adult doesn’t understand the concept of bias. Wait till he discovers that what centrist opinions are changes from country to country. Gonna absolutely blow his mind.
And don’t say I’m putting words in your mouth
but that’s exactly what you did.
You said that my comment isn’t fact, so what about it isn’t factual?
you expressed an opinion.
Because their scale of left bias - unbiased - right bias with a complete lack of centrist bias is proof that they don’t. Here’s the proof of my claim
all that you’ve proven is that it is, in fact, you who cannot distinguish centrism from being unbiased because you conflate the center of a bias spectrum with political centrism in a context where the two are only political bias is being discussed and you’e trying to inject political alignment as a:
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”
Please tell me where on their bias spectrum a centrist biased source would go. I’m not conflating anything, the site is.
I just explained how that’s not what this spectrum illustrates. your lack of comprehension is not my responsibility.
What does the spectrum illustrate if not bias? Because it sure looks like it’s a scale of bias: Extreme Left Bias, Left Bias, Left-Center Bias, Least Bias, Right-Center Bias, Extreme Right Bias. And it sure seems to correspond with the part of the article right below it that explicitly says “Right-Center Bias”
And again, where would a centrist biased source go on that spectrum?
Also: ad hominem if you want to just link logical fallacies.
And it is your responsibility. You are trying to disprove what I said but have offered no proof otherwise.
feel free to actually address what the article is saying
i prefer not to waste my time on speculation from biased sources.
You people always have an issue with any source that differs from the narrative you want to listen. If it’s Chinese news, it’s because it’s Chinese; if it’s Russian news it’s because it’s Russian; if it’s some African news it’s because Africa doesn’t like Europe; if it’s some Latinamerican news it’s because we’re poor and we don’t know better; if it’s some Usonian news it’s because they’re right wing or too moderate or the writer something. So basically the only not-biased-source™ is a very niche set of articles written by the Usonian/European center-left/left-wing neoliberals.
that which is demonstrably false is just that, your personal offense notwithstanding. the facts do not care about your feelings.
I’m not discussing the veracity of the claims made by the article, but what do you consider to be unbiased news sources?
fair question, but I’m sorry that I may disappoint you in saying that I doubt any news source is (or even could be) completely unbiased. major newswire sources do try by only reporting raw facts, but even they let bias slip in when editors choose which facts to report.
So what criteria do you use to decide which stories to believe and which to discard due to source bias? How can you have any valid criteria when all the information you have on any given subject is tainted with unavoidable bias?
I’ll start by addressing your second question first: bias isn’t a binary; it exists on a spectrum. there’s a difference between a tiny bit of bias and extreme bias. So, though previous research and experience, I have come to trust some sources more than others and come to expect certain sources to have more or less bias in one direction or another. that, combined with comparative analysis of multiple sources, one can come closer to factual reporting through one’s own critical analysis of the reporting itself-- however, depending on what’s reported and the sources available, sometimes… one can only be so certain that one is getting the truth.
it can be frustrating trying to find accurate reporting of a story, even from previously trusted sources. I encourage people to read their news from multiple sources whose backgrounds they’ve investigated and to critically analyze the facts presented, and that they apply their own critical analysis to try their best to arrive as close as they can to the facts. Also, to realize that, in the world of corporate media, that being certain that the news you’re consuming is 100% accurate my not be possible.
A tiny bit of bias relative to what; where is the zero-point on your bias spectrum? Objective truth? Even objective facts can be presented in a biased manner. You’re suggesting I can arrive closer to objective truth by comparing and analyzing data from various sources but also saying I should ignore this source because its biased. Would that not also bias my analysis?
That’s a nonsensical statement. Every source has biased, so what you’re really saying is that you discard any information that doesn’t come from your own bubble. Pretty funny how you talk about wasting time, yet you took the time to write these content free comments here.
if you have to put words in my mouth to feel better, I can’t stop you. but it doesn’t change the facts.
Nobody is putting words in your mouth. I’m just unpacking the implications of your statement. The facts are that you keep making content free comments that don’t contribute anything to the discussion.
when you “unpack” words i did not say, then yes you are putting words in my mouth. and whether they contribute to the conversation is not measured by how emotional or irrational you become in response.
No, that’s not what putting words in somebody’s mouth means, but of course it’s too much to expect you to understand the terms you throw around. Also, thank you for your psychoanalysis, that’s about the level or rationality I’ve come to expect from you.
