And for anyone asking “Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?” Here’s a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it’s off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the “Tankie Triad” (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they’ve positioned lemmy.ml as the “flagship” instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that “They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit”

I don’t know about you, but I’d prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse “Voat 2.0”.

So if you haven’t joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

On bans and censorships:

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

“concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad” https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

  • MochiGoesMeow@lemmy.zipEnglish
    3·
    1 hour ago

    Lemmy.ml seems to just downvote different opinions in masse without responding with respect.

    After a few attempts to engage respectfully and just getting negative interactions I just blocked them entirely.

  • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
    2·
    1 hour ago

    I was against blocking them because i dont want to create an echochamber(and i still support this on an instance level) but after they banned me and just keep downvote bombing anyone whos not a fucking poo tin or whinnie boot licker i had to block them.

  • glitchdx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    4 hours ago

    I tried to tolerate .ml because they’ve got some good linux and foss focused communities. Ultimately I decided it wasn’t worth it.

  • CCAirWater@lemm.eeEnglish
    91·
    6 hours ago

    “Known propaganda outlets (like RT)”

    Sorry but… What’s RT mean in this context? Rooster Teeth? I’ve got no clue.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    212·
    8 hours ago

    I joined Lemmy in November. By New Years I had independently figured out what was wrong with .ml and its users.

    The less of that garbage, the better.

  • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
    63·
    7 hours ago

    Like it or not, we can shine a light and hope they see.

    I am as libertarian (as opposed to authoritarian) as they come, and I still hope I (and others who share my sentiment) will be able to convince them the merits of a world with human rights, diplomacy, and freedom — that is not needlessly violent and forceful.

    We can move past barbarism, but to do so we must define what comes next to those who have shut their hearts to the truth — especially to those who have spent too much time reliving the horrific violence of the 20th century.

    I don’t need to boycott them, I don’t feel the need to block them. Everybody is within their rights to do so though, but I will keep slowly trying to win them over to the idea of a more kind and free world.

    Creating Lemmy and the fediverse is of incredible value to humanity. They provided a timely medicine to the internet — a decentralized platform that is not controlled by an American corporation and ruled by algorithms. I don’t feel like it’s a lost cause to do my best.

  • ritsku@lemmy.worldEnglish
    131·
    10 hours ago

    I’m kinda still new here, so thanks for the info! I think I’ve figured out how to block the instance, but is there a guide on blocking or something or a way to check?

    • JasSmith@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      2 hours ago

      You cannot block an entire instance in Lemmy today. The best you can do is block seeing posts from that instance in your timeline. The users are still free to send you death threats. The Lemmy devs have promised this feature later in the year, but given how it will likely be used against their .ml instance most liberally, and they will have fewer victims to attack, I am dubious it ever gets released.

    • EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      11·
      4 hours ago

      Usually clients have some option to do it but the steps might be different based on what client you’re using.

      Right now I’m on Voyager for example and if let’s say I wanted to block your instance I could click your profile and click the options. One of the options on that screen is “View Instance” and from there I have the option to block the instance.

      There’s also post filters but I know a lot less about setting those up. But iirc one of the things you can filter posts by is the instance the post comes from.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
        31·
        2 hours ago

        What’s wrong with blahaj? I thought they were one of the cool servers.

        • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          32·
          1 hour ago

          Generally, yes, but they’re also a wee bit authoritarian on some things, so people get maaaaad

          They allowed a blatant troll to post often and repeatedly for a looooong time (think they finally banned their ass, tho)

          • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
            1·
            49 minutes ago

            Oh is this about their admin being a lil ban happy? I remember reading one of their transcripts, and it seemed justified.

            So anecdotal ofc. I know not all.

    • 4n41y4no5@crazypeople.onlineBanned from communityEnglish
      32·
      3 hours ago

      Yeah these idiots banned u/Dead_or_alive for litteral genocide apologia (saying shit like “palestinians deserve it”.

      Then he got unbanned a few hours later.

  • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    571·
    17 hours ago

    cause nobody wants to get dragged into a ten page discussion about why China and Russia are the most democratic countries in the world

  • AMillionNames@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    3·
    9 hours ago

    What I wish is that you didn’t need to depend on your instance to block other instances so much, but that it was easier to block comments and posts coming from those instances at a personal level. It is very buggy in some instances. I also wish that when a user that is blocked or banned from an instance or the user of a comment or a post they are replying to, it would indicate so. It isn’t that there is no reply to what they are saying, it’s that we are not bothering with it, and that would make it obvious when it happens.

    • bob_lemon@feddit.orgEnglish
      2·
      9 hours ago

      What I wish is that you didn’t need to depend on your instance to block other instances so much, but that it was easier to block comments and posts coming from those instances at a personal level.

      You can block any instance in your account settings, same as communities or users.

  • walden@sub.wetshaving.socialEnglish
    682·
    20 hours ago

    In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can’t support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

    • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11·
      1 hour ago

      but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

      Having taken donations for similar shit before: isn’t that illegal if they aren’t open about it? Had I done that with my donated money I’d have been sued out my fucking ass

    • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
      491·
      16 hours ago

      Nutomic also said that trans identity was western propaganda and has doubled down on that statement several times.

      • UnburdenedOne@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        31·
        1 hour ago

        Checks the screenshots. Extremely mid take regarding sports that’s shared by a lot of people that aren’t terminally online. Transphobe, alright.

        • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          2 minutes ago

          “biological men” is a dead giveaway. Just because a lot of people are transphobic doesn’t mean it’s okay.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      362·
      14 hours ago

      I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there

      I’m in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com mentioned, he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea

      but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

      LMAO “Donate directly to me and you won’t have to worry about it! Butttt it’ll still go to the exact thing you’re opposed to.”

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
      292·
      20 hours ago

      @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there

      Having observed a few different types of small team dynamics in my time, my speculation from a distance is that nutomic is the sensible one who does the bulk of the actual work, and dessalines is the other one.

      He kind of has my sympathy and I do like Lemmy as software and it is clearly a good thing, but at the same time, at this point in the world if someone on your team is working to silence anyone who talks about Russia in unflattering terms, you can go fuck yourself as far as I am concerned. I am happy their instance is failing and I hope it keeps on failing until they stop doing legwork for murder, tyranny, rape, and torture. Honestly, “I wish my internet place had more users and people didn’t make fun of me so much” is a pretty mild negative consequence to experience from that.

  • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
    742·
    20 hours ago

    Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I’ve been exposed to has dramatically dropped.