Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
Both Sanders and AOC both support Israel. The progressive base may like them better than “the old guard” but they’re not exactly in love with these two. It’s a begrudging vote, not a happy one.
They’ve only very recently begun to change their public opinion on it. Last year this time Bernie was catching heat for refusing to support a permanent ceasefire;
Senator Bernie Sanders’s refusal to call for a permanent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas has put him at odds with many of the same progressives […] ^1
As you can see, she strongly condemns Hamas, which is great. She strongly condemns Israel, and Netanyahu, which is great. And I totally agree with the entire statement all the way down until the last paragraph;
None of this was inevitable. And it can still be stopped. Hamas, Israel, and Hezbollah should agree to a lasting ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon.
Hamas is a terrorist organization which was quite literally created by Israel by their systematic abuse of an entire group of people. There’s nothing about this entire situation that wasn’t inevitable. You can’t abuse a people for decades, encroach on their lives, livelihood, murder them, strongly police them, continually treat them like shit and sub-human and expect them not to retaliate. Much like the US is directly responsible for the situations leading to terrorist attacks against the US, Israel is also directly responsible for Hamas.
Even aside from all of this, her views on Israel again, just like Sanders are relatively new. Just last year she was about to be censured by other party members for being too soft on Israel ^1.
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” – Elie Wiesel
So yeah, it’s great that they’re just now coming around to the plight of Gaza and the Palestinians it’s not like they actually believe it. It’s all politically motivated. They’re beginning to understand that unless they condemn Israel they won’t be elected–which is pretty fucked up IMO.
Sanders didn’t even show up or rally for mohsen mahdawi, who is HIS CONSTITUENT, after they were illegally detained for speaking out against Israel.
Nobody is coming for us.
Nobody in power is going to risk losing their grip on it to advocate for real material progress and dismantle the institutions that give them that power in the first place.
Nobody in congress deserves to lead the people. The workers do.
I mean, support for genocide is wholly evil, I don’t care what your other policies are. lol Evil is evil lil bro. There’s no such thing as a lesser degree of evil.
It would be the same if like, Donald Trump was a perfect candidate, but he’s also a sexual predator. That should immediately disqualify him, otherwise you’re supporting that behavior.
Bernie and AOC most closely align with my political viewpoints, but they’re also supporting genocide… If I support them, then I’m also supporting genocide. Is what it is.
If that pisses you off, then maybe talk to Bernie and/or AOC about their stance on Israel.
So both the Jewish and Arabic people agree he’s been critical of Israel for the past few decades. He once did some young volunteer work in his 20’s but never went back and doesn’t talk about Israel.
I’d like to see the United States pressing Israel more on the Palestinian issue
Ohhh thanks Bernie, you’re so progressive! You’re almost as pro Palestinian as Ethan Klein!
Kibbutz Bernie is a liberal Zionist. He thinks being Jewish grants you a special right to steal and live in Palestinian land while they suffer as stateless refugees spread out around the world and labeled terrorists for resisting. He just has a problem with slaughtering them in the open, but living on and benefiting from their ethnically cleansed land is perfectly A-OK.
From the river to the mother fucking sea, Palestine must be free! Jewish Nazis are not somehow better than Christian Nazis.
Since your too stupid to read. I’ll highlight it for you.
While the Haaretz article reports that Sanders lost his connection to “Israel, Zionism, and Judaism” after this period, there is no evidence for this claim. However, the fact that Bernie Sanders has not been vocal about his time in Israel and his campaign’s reticence to comment on the subject might indicate Sanders’ discontent or even shame about this experience. There are no reports that he ever went back to Israel.
In fact, during his earlier political career, Sanders expressed strong criticisms against the State of Israel. In 1988, during a press conference endorsing Jesse Jackson’s campaign for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, Bernie Sanders strongly criticized Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. “It is an absolute disgrace, it goes without saying, soldiers of any nation especially an occupying power, are not allowed under any moral code to break the arms and legs of people, that is absolutely unacceptable period. And that type of behavior must be condemned” Sanders said. After some pressure from the audience, he even suggested that the United States could use its “clout” of military aid to induce change, “or else you begin to cut off arms.” It was even reported later in the same year that Sanders said “the policy that Israelis shoot people is unacceptable. It is wrong that the United States provides arms to Israel.” There are also reports that Sanders advocated “no guns for Israel” in the 1970s (a sentiment he also reportedly repeated in 1988 when he was running for a seat in US Congress), and that he called for “a Palestinian Homeland” in 1990. Actually, at the beginning of his congressional career, Sanders voted in 1991 to withhold $82.5 million in US aid to Israel unless it stopped its settlement activity in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. In 2001, he refused to support a House resolution blaming Palestinians for all the violence. In 2004, Sanders opposed a resolution supporting Israel’s annexation wall in the West Bank, deemed illegal by the International Court of Justice.
Both Sanders and AOC both support Israel. The progressive base may like them better than “the old guard” but they’re not exactly in love with these two. It’s a begrudging vote, not a happy one.
Hasn’t Sanders opposed Israeli military policy pretty publicly, including voting to block arms sales? [1] [2]
Didn’t AOC accuse Israel of committing genocide on the house floor? [3]
In what way do they support Israel? It hasn’t been my impression that they support genocide or American culpability in it.
They’ve only very recently begun to change their public opinion on it. Last year this time Bernie was catching heat for refusing to support a permanent ceasefire;
Additionally, this is AOCs stance on Israel: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th
As you can see, she strongly condemns Hamas, which is great. She strongly condemns Israel, and Netanyahu, which is great. And I totally agree with the entire statement all the way down until the last paragraph;
Hamas is a terrorist organization which was quite literally created by Israel by their systematic abuse of an entire group of people. There’s nothing about this entire situation that wasn’t inevitable. You can’t abuse a people for decades, encroach on their lives, livelihood, murder them, strongly police them, continually treat them like shit and sub-human and expect them not to retaliate. Much like the US is directly responsible for the situations leading to terrorist attacks against the US, Israel is also directly responsible for Hamas.
Even aside from all of this, her views on Israel again, just like Sanders are relatively new. Just last year she was about to be censured by other party members for being too soft on Israel ^1.
So yeah, it’s great that they’re just now coming around to the plight of Gaza and the Palestinians it’s not like they actually believe it. It’s all politically motivated. They’re beginning to understand that unless they condemn Israel they won’t be elected–which is pretty fucked up IMO.
Sanders didn’t even show up or rally for mohsen mahdawi, who is HIS CONSTITUENT, after they were illegally detained for speaking out against Israel.
Nobody is coming for us.
Nobody in power is going to risk losing their grip on it to advocate for real material progress and dismantle the institutions that give them that power in the first place.
Nobody in congress deserves to lead the people. The workers do.
So a lesser evil?
I mean, support for genocide is wholly evil, I don’t care what your other policies are. lol Evil is evil lil bro. There’s no such thing as a lesser degree of evil.
It would be the same if like, Donald Trump was a perfect candidate, but he’s also a sexual predator. That should immediately disqualify him, otherwise you’re supporting that behavior.
Bernie and AOC most closely align with my political viewpoints, but they’re also supporting genocide… If I support them, then I’m also supporting genocide. Is what it is.
If that pisses you off, then maybe talk to Bernie and/or AOC about their stance on Israel.
Umm, okay
Yes. There are several recent instances where he’s “slamming” Israel. And then 3 decades where they’re best friends, including up to the end of 2024…
Still wrong.
Here’s one from Arab News
So both the Jewish and Arabic people agree he’s been critical of Israel for the past few decades. He once did some young volunteer work in his 20’s but never went back and doesn’t talk about Israel.
Ohhh thanks Bernie, you’re so progressive! You’re almost as pro Palestinian as Ethan Klein!
Kibbutz Bernie is a liberal Zionist. He thinks being Jewish grants you a special right to steal and live in Palestinian land while they suffer as stateless refugees spread out around the world and labeled terrorists for resisting. He just has a problem with slaughtering them in the open, but living on and benefiting from their ethnically cleansed land is perfectly A-OK.
From the river to the mother fucking sea, Palestine must be free! Jewish Nazis are not somehow better than Christian Nazis.
Since your too stupid to read. I’ll highlight it for you.