And they’ve been dying in some horrific ways during that time. Now there’s also a lot of extra, human caused dangers. A responsible pet owner wouldn’t subject their pet to such dangers.
The study weighs the pros and cons of outdoor and indoor keeping. It also offers some ideas how to mitigate the cons. It’s an interesting study, you should ask someone to explain it to you.
The study mentions that risk factors of outdoor keeping vary by location. There is no mention of historic risk and therefore no assessment how these may have evolved.
If you read the conclusion it does say it would be better to keep your cats indoors because of all the associated risks. You just seem to be in denial about the whole thing and I don’t blame you, it’s a really emotional topic for some reason.
I mean study after study gives the obvious conclusion that of course it comes with increased risk and of course you wouldn’t be there to help them, it’s unsupervised and unrestricted roaming, so duh. And of course it negatively affects the surrounding wildlife, you’re introducing lots of cats to places that had a lot less if any cats.
But there’s such a strong emotional aspect to it that I just can’t understand that makes people pretend stupid or just refuse to accept the obvious conclusion.
The study mentions that risk factors of outdoor keeping vary by location. There is no mention of historic risk and therefore no assessment how these may have evolved.
You really need a study to say to you that thousands of years ago cars weren’t as much of a risk?
If you read the conclusion it does say it would be better to keep your cats indoors because of all the associated risks.
Except the conclusion does not state that - regardless of how much you want it to. Please have someone explain that to you.
You really need a study to say to you that thousands of years ago cars weren’t as much of a risk?
Did you even try to read that study you linked? There are more risks than cars and their severity depends on time and location. Is it to hard a concept that in former times e.g. the risk of predation, disease , and other accidents combined with lack of access to veterinarians pose a higher risk?
But there’s such a strong emotional aspect to it that I just can’t understand …
Similar to this snippet all of your replies seem to be motivated by emotion only - so much that it impairs your ability to assess your own sources. Just because you want your source to agree with you it doesn’t mean it really does.
… to accept the obvious conclusion.
Again, there is no obvious conclusion. There are no absolutes here - there are pros and cons related to both. How big they are varies by location (see e.g. #2.2 paragraph of the study you linked). I’d like to add that the character of the cat also plays a very massive role - This is missing in this particular study though. Again, have someone explain it to you. Alternatively you could feed it to an AI (see below).
I’d guess most cat owners would prefer their cat|s stay indoors, at least in cities (me being one of them tbh). Some cats don’t accept being locked up though - regardless of the amount of entertainment provided.
(AI) E.g. here is what mistral.ai answers to “does this study say you should only keep cats indoors?”
The study does not explicitly state that cats should only be kept indoors. Instead, it presents a balanced review of the risks and benefits associated with outdoor access for cats. The study discusses various welfare concerns related to uncontrolled outdoor access, such as increased risks of disease, parasites, injury, and predation, as well as negative impacts on wildlife and human neighbors. However, it also acknowledges the welfare benefits of outdoor access, including the opportunity for cats to engage in natural behaviors like hunting, exploring, and climbing, which can improve their physical and mental well-being.
Overall, the study emphasizes the need for further research to better understand the impacts of different housing and enrichment strategies on cat welfare, as well as the attitudes and practices of cat owners regarding outdoor access.
Assuming you have noone explaining complicted stuff to you or you being unwilling to listen to advice: Feed the study to an AI with reasoning engine (e.g. deepseek) and ask some questions about it. Make sure to ask whether the study is biased and whether (obvious) factors have been omitted. You can learn somehting there as the analytic capacity of AI with reasoning engine is vastly superiout to yours.
Replying to singular lines or small parts of comments makes the whole comment a disjointed mess. If you aren’t even willing to accept the multitude of studies and animal welfare organisations saying there’s an (obvious) increased risk from unsupervised roaming, then there’s nothing much to go on from here. If you feel there’s more positives and can support that with studies, I’d be interested to see that. If it’s just your emotional take, I understand that, but it’s just not very responsible way to handle a pet.
I mean it’s fairly straightforward when considering if “uncontrolled outdoor access” has dangers and harms to the cats
Uncontrolled outdoor access allows these natural behaviors, but it also poses a number of significant health and welfare risks, and the overall benefits of the performance of these behaviors is unknown.
But if you’re not willing to take their word for it, there’s other people talking about those dangers too
And they’ve been dying in some horrific ways during that time. Now there’s also a lot of extra, human caused dangers. A responsible pet owner wouldn’t subject their pet to such dangers.
Please elaborate your claims about past and present dangers for pets, I’m curious about specifics.
Also how are you mitigating the risk of “such dangers” for pets and children?
Well you might have heard of cars, highways and other such human created things that haven’t existed during all that time.
Here’s one study where they examined the welfare concerns over unrestricted/unsupervised outdoor access (and other concerns). https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7070728/#sec5-animals-10-00258
I wouldn’t allow a cat or a small child to roam around unrestricted. It just seems due to the inherent threats pretty irresponsible.
The study weighs the pros and cons of outdoor and indoor keeping. It also offers some ideas how to mitigate the cons. It’s an interesting study, you should ask someone to explain it to you.
The study mentions that risk factors of outdoor keeping vary by location. There is no mention of historic risk and therefore no assessment how these may have evolved.
If you read the conclusion it does say it would be better to keep your cats indoors because of all the associated risks. You just seem to be in denial about the whole thing and I don’t blame you, it’s a really emotional topic for some reason.
I mean study after study gives the obvious conclusion that of course it comes with increased risk and of course you wouldn’t be there to help them, it’s unsupervised and unrestricted roaming, so duh. And of course it negatively affects the surrounding wildlife, you’re introducing lots of cats to places that had a lot less if any cats.
But there’s such a strong emotional aspect to it that I just can’t understand that makes people pretend stupid or just refuse to accept the obvious conclusion.
You really need a study to say to you that thousands of years ago cars weren’t as much of a risk?
Except the conclusion does not state that - regardless of how much you want it to. Please have someone explain that to you.
Did you even try to read that study you linked? There are more risks than cars and their severity depends on time and location. Is it to hard a concept that in former times e.g. the risk of predation, disease , and other accidents combined with lack of access to veterinarians pose a higher risk?
Similar to this snippet all of your replies seem to be motivated by emotion only - so much that it impairs your ability to assess your own sources. Just because you want your source to agree with you it doesn’t mean it really does.
Again, there is no obvious conclusion. There are no absolutes here - there are pros and cons related to both. How big they are varies by location (see e.g. #2.2 paragraph of the study you linked). I’d like to add that the character of the cat also plays a very massive role - This is missing in this particular study though. Again, have someone explain it to you. Alternatively you could feed it to an AI (see below).
I’d guess most cat owners would prefer their cat|s stay indoors, at least in cities (me being one of them tbh). Some cats don’t accept being locked up though - regardless of the amount of entertainment provided.
(AI) E.g. here is what mistral.ai answers to “does this study say you should only keep cats indoors?”
Assuming you have noone explaining complicted stuff to you or you being unwilling to listen to advice: Feed the study to an AI with reasoning engine (e.g. deepseek) and ask some questions about it. Make sure to ask whether the study is biased and whether (obvious) factors have been omitted. You can learn somehting there as the analytic capacity of AI with reasoning engine is vastly superiout to yours.
Replying to singular lines or small parts of comments makes the whole comment a disjointed mess. If you aren’t even willing to accept the multitude of studies and animal welfare organisations saying there’s an (obvious) increased risk from unsupervised roaming, then there’s nothing much to go on from here. If you feel there’s more positives and can support that with studies, I’d be interested to see that. If it’s just your emotional take, I understand that, but it’s just not very responsible way to handle a pet.
Sorry, I’ll make it easy: just 3 little things to know:
Version for anyone reading this with at least average analytic capabilities:
I’m sorry, I seem to keep overestimating your analytic capabilities. I’m boiling it down to 3 simple points:
I mean it’s fairly straightforward when considering if “uncontrolled outdoor access” has dangers and harms to the cats
But if you’re not willing to take their word for it, there’s other people talking about those dangers too
https://www.orangecountync.gov/1331/Safety-concerns-for-free-roaming-cats
https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/avma-policies/free-roaming-owned-cats
https://stories.tamu.edu/news/2023/10/19/how-free-roaming-cats-impact-wildlife-disease-transmission/
And so on and so on.