• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      But that’s fascists calling reality fake…

      We can’t take any of them seriously. I didn’t think I had to keep pointing that out in 2023.

      I meant a rational person declaring something they don’t like as hate speech.

      Do you understand how crazy it is to say:

      We can’t call anything hate speech, because the people using hate speech all the time call everything they don’t like hate speech

      Fascists have been trying to do that forever, dont start falling for it now all of a sudden.

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        But that’s fascists calling reality fake…

        Yuuup. Just like they say about liberals calling for the protection of pronouns: “Genders is gender!”

        So yeah, sorry, but we have to be VERY careful about any kind of “Free speech, except…” because anyone can fill in that blank.

        Don’t act like this is some crazy tactic that no one would fall for. There are kids down the street from me RIGHT NOW learning about how slavery is misunderstood and it gave people lots of valuable skills.

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          ironically, slavery just being misunderstood is due to the “I will defend your right to say ANYTHING crowd”

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            Under freedom of speech I expect idiotic ideas like this to arise, what’s unacceptable is when that free speech is undermined so teachers can’t deliver the truth. Never undermine freedom of speech. This is where we end up.

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              but a lot of the teachers are fine with the changes.

              In your “not undermined free speech”, what stops a teacher from simply teaching that the blacks were lucky and should have been happy to be slaves? or would you enforce a certain “factual viewpoint”, and by your own argument, undermining free speech? after all, it is “their truth”.

              No, we put limits on free speech all the time for a lot of good reasons, we don’t let people call themselves doctors without the qualification, nor police, we don’t let people sell you paint stripper and call it milk, etc, etc, etc…

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                There’s a massive amount of teachers that don’t agree and would face legal troubles if they say anything to the contrary

                I hear your point about limiting people’s free speech in a narrow band, like misrepresenting themselves as doctors. And I’ll admit my argument breaks down a little here because I do believe teachers should generally have to follow an approved plan. My overall point here is that Republicans are weaponizing any exception to the rule of free speech. So we should be very careful about how we use it. That’s the whole point of free speech. No one can be trusted to be the referee.

                With free speech there’s millions of ideas out there and most of them are shit, it’s very difficult to find the good ones. And that sucks. I hear you. But without free speech we get to have one idea and you don’t get to pick what it is. If that doesn’t scare you I don’t know what would.

                If teachers are allowed free speech, you’re right, some might teach kids slavery was beneficial. But without free speech, teachers are being FORCED to teach that slavery was beneficial. You see how that’s worse right?

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                  and? it used to be the other way around with the teachers, now it’s just in the racist disinformation direction. It used to be that many teachers also complained that they were forced to teach “woke propaganda”

                  by your logic, any teacher that believes the POC/LGBTQ are trying to destroy America should be able to instill that into their students. And yes, often times you don’t get to pick the truth, you don’t get to pretend that the holocaust was a Jewish plot to try and destroy the white man, you don’t get to call for lynching that N***** because he kissed a white lady, and you don’t get to advocate for dragging gays down the street via rope from a car.

                  As for weaponizing any exception to the rule of free speech. have you been asleep for the last 50 years? Republicans are across the board the most anti-free peach group in America, only allowing its existence in so far as it serves their hate filled ideology, they don’t weaponize restrictions on free speech, they bitch and moan if they literally can’t call for the holocaust 2 electric boogaloo.

                  As for the “No one can be trusted to be the referee”. that is bullshit. somehow, most of the rest of the 1st world manages to do just fine, But i guess this is just another one of those unavoidable things that strangely only happens in the USA.

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          Downvoted solely for use of “cucked”. For fuck’s sake, that word needs to die, not be “reclaimed” or whatever the fuck. It just makes me irrationally angry.

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        Who is telling white kids they’re racist? Honestly.

        Oh do you mean their ancestors? Because that’s kind of a big difference.

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          Exactly. Nobody is telling white kids they’re racist for existing. That dude just exemplifies the kind of brain rot you get when all your news comes from Breitbart, Fox News, and Facebook memes.

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        Except black people’s lives have been made worse by white people. Where’s the lie? White kids are not being taught they’re racist. I got a “woke” education and white people were not taught that they’re inherently bigoted. In fact, we were taught that anyone can be a bigot, regardless of who they are, and that any category can be used to cause division and hate.

        I wish you would take your face out of the slop of lies the right wing media feeds you. It makes me sad.

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          Where’s the lie?

          as a white conservative, I think it’s an affront to justice that I can’t call black people N****s and have to “respect their rights”! true freedom is having the right to own people!

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        What school is teaching what you said? Are you familiar with actual CRT and where it is applied? Hint: not in grade schools. Nobody thinks white children should be ashamed of their race and vice versa. Giving students an accurate history and equipping them to understand racial issues is vital. Let’s not confuse ignorance with innocence.