I would like to see Vulcan fail.
Anyways it has been destroyed in DIS
but I haven’t seen a kind of evolution with, maybe starting with Spock and Burnham, that they learned to appreciate emotion and affection again.
I would like to see Vulcan fail.
Anyways it has been destroyed in DIS
but I haven’t seen a kind of evolution with, maybe starting with Spock and Burnham, that they learned to appreciate emotion and affection again.
I don’t know if it’s correct to say that Vulcan culture is unaffectionate, just thay they don’t express affection in the way you are used to. Remember: Spock was played the way he was in the 1960s to demonstrate the distance humans are willing to go to tolerate other cultures, no matter how (literally in this case) alien.
There’s definitely a lot to unpack in suggesting that their culture deserves to “fail” because they do not assimilate (lol) into your culture.
@Kirk @Mbingu Vulcans have a hecking complex culture. Their attachment to logic and eschewing of emotions is as iconic to the Vulcans as Honor is to the Klingons … And equally False.
We see, many, many, many times a Klingon Empire willing to eschew Honor and Glory for personal ends, monetary ends, and outright cruelty (Gowron ordering Martok around anyone?, The entire Duras family, that one guy from Drumhead)
We see this with the Vulcans too. We know they have FAR more intense emotions Humans do, and the repression of emotions takes an actual medical toll (Bendii Syndrome). We also see Vulcans (Sarek, T’Pol, Sybok, T’Lyn, Dr. Selar, Soval) who clearly allow at least a near human level of emotions through. (Then we have the logicians and logical purists, which… Explain to me the logic of terrorism in a species that supposedly feels no fear or terror…)
Ultimately, the Vulcans won’t fail, they’ve been through crazy changes and schisms. They won’t fail because everything is still their, it’s just how they choose to express it sociologically.
I did a presentation on this at a con…
At least if Sarek is any indicstor, they are definitely very restrained. He was quite distraught over not being as affectionate with Amanda as he could have been.
OP is referring to Vulcan culture. Sarek’s displays of affection would probably not be considered “restrained” in a Vulcan-Vulcan relationship.
He certainly seems to think so, though. When he was sharing his emotions with Picard, he was distraught that he wasn’t as open about his fondness for Amanda, before she died.
Sarek felt that he could have demonstrated more affection towards his human wife in a way that was meaningful to her. That is not the same thing as saying that Vulcan culture is unaffectionate, or that other Vulcans would consider Sarek as not affectionate.