Reddit has the benefit of being closed source and therefore having secret anti spam filters. We don’t have that benefit and therefore the new user registrations need to be rigorous. “frictionless registrations” also means thousands of spam bots. Reddit doesn’t require any but the downside is that they ban your account at the drop of a hat if they as much as suspect you’re a spammer or bot. However it does leave their registration appearing “simple”.
Reddit has the benefit of being closed source and therefore having secret anti spam filters. We don’t have that benefit and therefore the new user registrations need to be rigorous.
This is a bs argument considering that instances can and indeed a few already do maintain similar automated anti-spam and auto-moderation tools. The droves of instances that choose to function as clubs with application process aren’t doing it that way because it’s the only way, they’re doing it because they want to or don’t understand how to set up automoderation tools.
Reddit doesn’t require any but the downside is that they ban your account at the drop of a hat if they as much as suspect you’re a spammer or bot. However it does leave their registration appearing “simple”.
That is true, and it does seem to be a problem on instances that use aggressive automod like sh.itjust.works, though it does streamline the process by going from preemptively trying to deem people unworthy to punishing and cleaning out the ones who cause trouble (give or take a few false positives). People don’t have to be worried they won’t be rejected if all they want to do is look at memes, upvote, and laugh (we shouldn’t expect more from them on a Reddit alternative).
The droves of instances that choose to function as clubs with application process aren’t doing it that way because it’s the only way, they’re doing it because they want to or don’t understand how to set up automoderation tools.
Pray tell, what experience do you have hosting lemmy instances or even social media websites to speak with such authority?
People don’t have to be worried they won’t be rejected if all they want to do is look at memes, upvote, and laugh
People can get banned for the wrong types of memes and for bad voting patterns in lemmy
People can get banned for the wrong types of memes and for bad voting patterns in lemmy
I’m not sure how bad the false positive rate is on instances like sh.itjust.works and lemmings.world, though from what I’ve heard it’s nowhere near as bad as Reddit’s false positive rate (which is probably a lot of intentional checks for arbitrary censorship).
Why? It’s true and if the Lemmy Devs themselves aren’t even aware of the existence of effective auto-moderation on the Fediverse I’m not going to assume anyone else is either. People aren’t exactly bragging about or advertising auto-moderation tools on Lemmy so it’s understandable they’d be less known about and also less deployed.
It’s a more charitable interpretation than to assume they’re doing an intentional appeal to futility, or are pushing for the gatekeeping aspect of application based signup processes. Unfortunately both are very common tactics when other people discuss the manual approval club vs. automod spam removal debate.
Note, when I say gatekeeping I’m talking about the people who say that they want it because they don’t want people in the fediverse who will “laugh and upvote” and spew some garbage about people needing to put in effort to join lemmy, you know, the usual elitism that has held Lemmy and Fediverse platforms back for a long time.
I just texted you on Matrix to invite you to the Lemmy Defense HQ channel
It’s quite interesting to see how many spam accounts admins have to remove even with their automated tools enabled.
Dbzer0 isn’t a generalist instance, and doesn’t want or have to be.
The big 3 I posted above are good enough to welcome new joiners looking for a generalist instance with a minimalist application process. Lemm.ee especially now being the default for both Photon and Voyager is definitely getting most of the new comers
Reddit has the benefit of being closed source and therefore having secret anti spam filters. We don’t have that benefit and therefore the new user registrations need to be rigorous. “frictionless registrations” also means thousands of spam bots. Reddit doesn’t require any but the downside is that they ban your account at the drop of a hat if they as much as suspect you’re a spammer or bot. However it does leave their registration appearing “simple”.
This is a bs argument considering that instances can and indeed a few already do maintain similar automated anti-spam and auto-moderation tools. The droves of instances that choose to function as clubs with application process aren’t doing it that way because it’s the only way, they’re doing it because they want to or don’t understand how to set up automoderation tools.
That is true, and it does seem to be a problem on instances that use aggressive automod like sh.itjust.works, though it does streamline the process by going from preemptively trying to deem people unworthy to punishing and cleaning out the ones who cause trouble (give or take a few false positives). People don’t have to be worried they won’t be rejected if all they want to do is look at memes, upvote, and laugh (we shouldn’t expect more from them on a Reddit alternative).
Pray tell, what experience do you have hosting lemmy instances or even social media websites to speak with such authority?
People can get banned for the wrong types of memes and for bad voting patterns in lemmy
I’m not sure how bad the false positive rate is on instances like sh.itjust.works and lemmings.world, though from what I’ve heard it’s nowhere near as bad as Reddit’s false positive rate (which is probably a lot of intentional checks for arbitrary censorship).
Seems weird to say this to the creator of https://gui.fediseer.com/
Why? It’s true and if the Lemmy Devs themselves aren’t even aware of the existence of effective auto-moderation on the Fediverse I’m not going to assume anyone else is either. People aren’t exactly bragging about or advertising auto-moderation tools on Lemmy so it’s understandable they’d be less known about and also less deployed.
How do you know they’re not aware?
Anyone can find those comments about the 3 largest instances
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/41815076/17945397
It’s a more charitable interpretation than to assume they’re doing an intentional appeal to futility, or are pushing for the gatekeeping aspect of application based signup processes. Unfortunately both are very common tactics when other people discuss the manual approval club vs. automod spam removal debate.
Note, when I say gatekeeping I’m talking about the people who say that they want it because they don’t want people in the fediverse who will “laugh and upvote” and spew some garbage about people needing to put in effort to join lemmy, you know, the usual elitism that has held Lemmy and Fediverse platforms back for a long time.
I just texted you on Matrix to invite you to the Lemmy Defense HQ channel
It’s quite interesting to see how many spam accounts admins have to remove even with their automated tools enabled.
Dbzer0 isn’t a generalist instance, and doesn’t want or have to be.
The big 3 I posted above are good enough to welcome new joiners looking for a generalist instance with a minimalist application process. Lemm.ee especially now being the default for both Photon and Voyager is definitely getting most of the new comers
Already in that channel but thank you anyway for the invite.
Alright