Just wanted to share some insights after migrating away from Google et al. Curious to hear about others experience.

Please keep a few things in mind when reading this:

  • the goal is not to be perfect - this is a long process that will never stop and it’s just the start
  • personally prefer self-hosted open source to alternatives that might be better at avoiding US, but have too much of a negative impact on my productivity
  • you don’t have to tackle everything all at once… small steps count too

Sharing this in hopes of inspiring someone to try an alternative or two. Also to hopefully hear about other experiences and what worked best for you.

TL:DR

Migrated from the big G to Vivaldi (browser), Proton (mail), Nextcloud (calendar, full collabora office suite, storage) , Immich (photos), Graphene OS (android).


DONE

Successfully migrated my Google accounts: private (16+ years) and my business Google Workspace - subscription now fully eliminated.

  • Email: For now my emails will be with Proton. I know about the situation with their CEO, but wanted to make use of my standing subscription. Will be easy to switch again once it runs out. Proton import with the included migration tool was a breeze.

  • Calendar: Tried the calendar but sync interval for remotely subscribed calendars is not high enough for my needs. Happy with the Nextcloud calendar feature.

  • Office: Already running a Nextcloud instance for years and enabled contacts + calendar (caldav sync, carddav sync on android) and their office bundle (based on Collabora). Did an in-depth comparison of Cryptpad and Collabora and preferred the latter.

  • Photos: Immich is just so good. Set up an instance for our family and everyone is so happy to not worry about Apple/Google storage subscriptions - and the awesome features immich brings. Handles our combined 130k images/videos well.

  • Cloud storage: Would love a native Proton Drive sync client for Linux. For now my main storage will stay with Nextcloud.

  • OS: Can highly recommend Ubuntu - a bit biased as long-time user. Finally made the switch from stock Android to Graphene OS. Love it so far. Would not recommend it to inexperienced users / non-tech people. Lineage might be more suitable. Love the discussions in this community lately introducing us to /e/OS, Sailfish, PostmarketOS, etc. I hope to see Sailfish and PostmarketOS go mainstream within a few years.

  • Browser: Hard to decide as there are so many schools of thought and very vocal groups. Did some in-depth comparisons and decided to at least break free from Chrome for now. Went with Vivaldi and if they are forced to abandon manifest v2 I have LibreWolf and Floorp already set up as alternatives. Can highly recommend Floccus to sync bookmarks between devices (including mobile).

WIP

  • Notion: Self-hosted AppFlowy looks promising, but have not tested it lately if it covers all my needs.

  • Bitwarden: Hardest to let go for me personally, but might look into Vaultwarden. If Vaultwarden sucks and I really need to ditch Bitwarden it will most likely be Keepass based.

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    Great post. Coincidentally, currently experimenting with European services as well.

    Moved mail, calendar and storage from Google to Proton. Very happy with it so far. Decent pricing for what I’m getting.

    Using Lemmy as a Reddit replacement which is working out great too, obviously ;)

    Cancelled a way too expensive YouTube family subscription. Didn’t find an alternative for that. Will be challenging.

    Been running Ubuntu since forever. My only real challenge is my phone… I have close to zero existing knowledge on anything mobile :p tips?

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      If I lived in Europe and was looking to buy a new phone, I’d consider getting a Fairphone (Dutch) pre-installed with /e/OS (French degoogled OS).

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      For now try FreeTube for that YouTube itch. There is just no real alternative for YouTube sadly. NewPipe or Tubular (= NewPipe + Sponsorblock, but updated less frequently) on Android.

      Re: phone

      If you have any free funds to spare at all I recommend you buy a cheap test device second hand on your local marketplace. I did exactly that as I did not want to compromise my main daily driver to test Graphene OS. Once I was confident enough I made the final switch and gave my test device to someone in my family.

      In general: Linux based projects would be great, but are not mainstream yet - miss a lot of everyday apps sadly (Postmarket OS, Ubuntu touch, Mobian, etc). That would be my preferred ecosystem.

      Sailfish has it’s roots in Nokia and shows great potential, but not there yet right now.

      You want a de-google phone - even though you’ll most likely re-enable Google Play services for the regular app store. The main idea is to avoid Google as much as possible and only re-enable what you absolutely must. It’s about the choice mostly. That’s what I love about Graphene OS - you decide everything. Have never seen an OS that starts out that bare but can support everything you need. Has one of the biggest learning curves though.

      I would recommend /e/OS or LineageOS.

      All projects I mentioned always feature a list of supported devices on their website. Check what device is available to you to play around that is supported by one of the projects. Anything less than 3 years old should have decent performance.


      Edit: Did not even tackle socials in my post. Lemmy, Mastodon, Matrix - all really great services. Love decentralized services.

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          Got a used Pixel 7a to play around with. Will be supported by Graphene for a few more years I assume and good enough for everything I do.

          My main driver is a Pixel 8. Usually skip a few generations in between, but liked the stock Android experience compared to other manufacturer bloat.

          Was thinking about trying Graphene for some time now. The last weeks finally gave me the push to do something about it.

          Similar with Qubes OS on laptop, but not sure if I’ll ever dig deep there.

          Trying out hardware / software is a passion of mine. Got a Pine phone at some point to play around with different Linux based smartphone OS’es and see what the current state is.

          I found that LineageOS can be a life saver for “older” hardware that is still perfectly fine but doesn’t get updates from the OEM anymore. In my experience tablets often get treated very badly in that regard.

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          They mentioned they’re running GrapheneOS, so most likely a Pixel of some kind. GrapheneOS has the strictest requirements I’ve seen of alternative phone OSes, but for good reason.

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            Exactly. Used a Pixel 7a to test Graphene. Wanted to for a long time but was hesitant to try on my main phone. Just feel lucky I had the opportunity to get a used phone to test on now. Was well worth it IMO.