Steve Witkoff said the Russian leader had an artist paint a portrait of Trump and gave it to the American president as a gift. Witkoff called Putin “super smart” and not “a bad guy.”

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      One of the weirdest thing about the last 20 years or so has been how unfounded conspiracy theories and wild-ass guesses and feels get stated as fac, and people stop realizing there’s a difference. Which lead to really sloppy thinking (including Trump’s rise)

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        What about my narrative concerning what really happened at Butler PA sounds like a “wild-ass guess” to you? Nothing “unfounded” about what really happened at Butler PA. trump’s SS staged a fake assassination and murdered Crooks and Comperatore.

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            What “proof” do you hold to believe the “official narrative” over what I said really happened? Where is your own proof for the alternative narrative you believe?

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              What is so hard to believe about someone acting on their own beliefs to try to kill one of the most hated and divisive people in our present time in history.

              Or why is it hard to believe that the SS failed in their duty to actively protect the president or president elect. Not like that hasn’t happened in US history ever. (Regan, Kennedy, Lincoln…).

              Easier to believe the conspiracy I guess.

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                Crooks was well-noted as a passionate righty. He had trump signs in his home yard the day he was murdered.

                He was a friendless loner who went to the gun range frequently. Crooks had been in a Blackrock/Xe promo a handful of years earlier.

                For “some reason,” trump’s SS said the school roof where Crooks was murdered was “outside their perimeter,” even though it was in full view of the rally. Since the SS knew this, why would they allow Crooks to be seen by the public on the school roof with a gun for approximately ten minutes before the SS killed Crooks? Because Crooks was “security help.” And there was a guy in black on the watertower behind Crooks during the shooting. This is documented by multiple witnesses.

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                  At least you laid out some actual facts here, not just believe me bro it’s a conspiracy.

                  Still flimsy assumptions here.

                  Just as much reason to assume he snapped and acted independently as a loner like you described and is the normal mo for assassins in the past. And that SS is still has gaps in their security.

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                    You can literally see that trump’s SS was set up facing Crooks before the shooting. Crooks was in full view of trump’s SS where he was positioned on the school roof.

                    I watched trump rallies all summer. They took a week-long break before Butler, and at the preceding rally, trump told an OANN reporter, “We’ve got something big planned for Butler, you don’t wanna miss it.” What was big? The giant fakenews immigration graphic. When trump gave everyone the cue to turn to the right, that’s when Crooks & Comperatore got murdered for trump’s staged photo op.

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              That’s whataboutism, regardless of the answer. I didnt say anythibg about the other theory.

              Lack of proof is why your theory is perceived to be just some wild-ass guess.

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          There is no proof of what you say. Therefore it is unfounded.

          You can make your own false assumptions, but spreading conspiracy theories like this is dangerous.

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            “Dangerous.” You say nothing here beyond your assumption that you are the smartest guy in the room.

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      Okay. Why do you not believe the narrative I’ve shared, and what do you believe happened instead? (And third, why do you believe you know better than myself?)

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        I believe in facts, not assumed narratives.

        I shared above how things played out.

        Until any facts come out about SS or other groups plots to conspire to fake an attempt on Trump, I will believe that this person acted by themselves and actually tried to kill Trump for their own reasons. And failed, killing others on accident, and getting himself killed in the process.

        Crazy to assume otherwise.

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          Nope. Your “contrived story” fails to explain why a lifelong trumpee with trumpee yard signs would have any motive to kill dotard.

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            Didn’t realize the facts of how things played out would be considered a contrived story.

            But if you believe conspiracies… Not too surprising that’s what you think

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              Bro there are no “facts” available anywhere about the staged murders of Crooks & Comperatore.

              What have you accomplished in your life to assume you’re more credible than me? Seriously.