And what is the difference between them winning and losing? I’ve been voting for them for years and hating it every time and getting nothing but excuses.
My (and other) country being threatened with invasion? Not only ruining your only economy but intentionally destroying countless others? Setting up nazi-esque camps? LGBTQ+ people being othered to the point of violence? What is wrong with you
Even if the Democrats did absolutely nothing the moment they got voted in to the day they were voted out, it’d be immeasurably better than the shit the Republicans are doing.
This way of thinking is why the rest of the world is getting pissed off at ALL Americans, not just the Republicans.
Edit: do some harm reduction and THEN fight for better politics. With the way things are going there’s only going to be one party to “vote” for anyway
Because you can’t build things, you can’t fix things, you can’t make positive progress, with a scintilla of power. You can often BREAK things if you have a slim majority, because that’s easier than building things.
The two major things Democrats have brought us in the last 20 years have been Obamacare, which happened during the two months of actual control Democrats had, and the IRA, which was a masterful bit of politics that Biden and Democrats managed to pull off despite not having a supermajority.
So how do we break the cycle of Dems never getting enough power to do more than slap a band aid on things? Keep voting for them like I have for decades? Because that’s been working so fucking well.
And maybe if they acted like a goddamn opposition party Republicans wouldn’t be able to wreck shit with a bare majority. Like maybe don’t hand Donald Trump a blank check.
Why is that my problem? Shouldn’t the Democratic Party be doing that already? Isn’t that why they’re always begging for money? Wasn’t that what the billion dollars they wasted fighting Trump was for?
Why even have a political party if it’s up to individuals to do this?
Because they haven’t actually won in a long ass time. Aside from the few months in 2012 that gave us the ACA, it’s been nothing but ties or Republican wins since the Bill Clinton days.
The political parties are not fucking sports teams who go out there and play and either win or lose. You vote for them, or don’t, and they consequently win, or don’t.
Do you even know what a political party is? It’s not some company that you pay to provide you a service. It’s not some big vending machine where you put in x and are disappointed you didn’t receive y.
A political party is a group of people, largely volunteers, trying to convince people of their agendas.
You’re trying to purchase a victory for Dems with your vote but it doesn’t work like that. You’re treating it like you’re in line at McDonald’s ordering a burger but getting cat food and now you storm in waving your receipt and want to talk to the manager.
Right, and they’re trying to convince people about their agendas to try to win elections, right?
I don’t expect it to happen like a transaction. But I do expect the very expensive political consultants who the party employs to at least win something.
If a political party is as bad as the democrats at winning and keeping power, what’s the damn point beyond employing very expensive and ineffective political consultants?
The democrats have been failures my entire life, and I still vote for them. I still donate and I even volunteered. And all my efforts are for naught because the party is terrible at doing the first thing it needs to do: Win votes.
If you just want a party that wins and you don’t care about how any of it works or what the party actually does, yeah, MAGA is for you. It’s great. When you win, cool. When you don’t, it’s because the other guys cheated.
that’s a difference. Right there. Dems don’t make things better but they don’t make things worse. I hate dems but until new party forms I will encourage people to vote dem or at least third party over staying at home because that’s put us here. Once the GOP is gone we can collectively give dems the middle finger. DNC knows this which is why they act the way they do.
People have been saying this since I was able to vote: “Just vote for the dems you hate now until they have enough power then we can vote for who we want.”
And in all that time the republicans have gotten more powerful.
There will never be a time in my life where the GOP is gone. And probably not my children’s either.
Of course you are. As am I. But that doesn’t mean I’m willing to just “give up.” Yes I’ll vote against Trump at all chance even if it means I’ll lose. Because I may not.
I don’t want a leader who is fucking exciting or a firebrand. I just want a competent administrator who treats the nation as something to be preserved. And that’s a hard sell against a cheap auto-salesman like Trump.
Republicans make things worse, of course , but democrats don’t or can’t make things better.
But those are the only two options. So you pick a democrat and hope for the best.
If the democrats are the best we can hope for then we are well and truly boned.
And how much longer am I gonna have to hold my nose and vote for an asshole I hate before they get enough power to mean I don’t have to?
Will I be dead before I can actually vote for someone I want to be in office? And even then will they have a stroke and start schlonging conservative dick?
Politics is a game designed to be so infuriating that most people rage quit.
You’re saying this in a thread about a Democrat who won. What is the difference of Chuck Schumer was there or not? It seems to be the same result either way.
Republicans never had a problem fucking shit up when they didn’t have a majority. Dems should be doing the same thing. Kick and scream and make the Republicans fight every step of the way. Stop rolling over immediately and letting them fuck us all.
Right now they need to focus on stopping the republicans from doing shit, that’s it, and they’re not even trying. Everyone knows nothing is going to improve until Musk, Trump and the rest are gone so focus on just mucking up their works.
Oh yes here we go another comment about if they don’t have a complete and total majority that they have no power whatsoever. What fucking bunk. He was elected as a senator by the people of the state of New York. He has a solemn and sacred duty to serve those people. It doesn’t matter if other people didn’t win election it’s still his fucking job. If he can’t fucking do it he should resign as should the rest of the useless parasites in that party who don’t feel they have any responsibilities left to the public.
What a useless party this is and what useless people who are loyal to it.
You kids act like there’s some sort of consolation prize. Is it because you all got participation trophies or something when you were children? You lost the house, the senate, the presidency and the f’gin SCOTUS.
What political power do you think you really have anymore? Whining on lemmy about how you don’t want to vote for a boring candidate? No wonder MAGA is winning. They f’ing vote.
The complete destruction of civil rights, a stable state, trade relations, diplomatic relations, the integrity of elections, the actual health if the nation, so on and so on.
Them winning makes it harder for the Chuck Schumer’s of the world to come up with excuses for caving to Republicans. Simply electing anyone with a (D) behind their name isn’t sufficient, but it is a necessary step one of unfucking the country.
Same. FWIW, I felt totally alone when I was complaining about this stuff decades ago, now even the most moderate people I know will say things about Republicans that I wouldn’t repeat on public forums.
Step 2 will never come.
Honestly, I don’t know if you’re right or not, but I do know that they will make it feel impossible right up until it actually happens, and I just don’t think there’s any better way forward than this (admittedly difficult) one
There’s no “they” doing it. It’s a fact of the structure of the government and 250 years of cruft. We can’t not vote for the democrats, no matter how bad they are, which means they don’t need to care what we think.
Schumer is a Democratic Senator. On lemmy, you’ve got some people calling Republicans fascist, and another group calling Democrats fascist. The Republicans did a sig heil during Trump’s inauguration, so I’ll let you figure out which one is fascist.
And then yell at them in comment sections when the democrats lose to fascists again.
If you don’t vote for them… They will lose…
They’re not a hockey team where it doesn’t matter if you participate as a fan or not. If they don’t get votes then they don’t get political power.
If we do vote for them, we lose.
And what is the difference between them winning and losing? I’ve been voting for them for years and hating it every time and getting nothing but excuses.
The difference is that neo-liberals stop getting angry when a D is in office.
That’s it.
My (and other) country being threatened with invasion? Not only ruining your only economy but intentionally destroying countless others? Setting up nazi-esque camps? LGBTQ+ people being othered to the point of violence? What is wrong with you
Even if the Democrats did absolutely nothing the moment they got voted in to the day they were voted out, it’d be immeasurably better than the shit the Republicans are doing.
This way of thinking is why the rest of the world is getting pissed off at ALL Americans, not just the Republicans.
Edit: do some harm reduction and THEN fight for better politics. With the way things are going there’s only going to be one party to “vote” for anyway
That’s the cycle though: Dems win a scintilla of power, do nothing, and then lose to the republicans who fuck shit up.
Its been ratcheting like that my entire life.
It’s been “vote for harm reduction “ my entire life
It’s not ever going to get better.
And the world should be pissed at all Americans. We’re clearly fucking awful. I hate all Americans and I am one
Because you can’t build things, you can’t fix things, you can’t make positive progress, with a scintilla of power. You can often BREAK things if you have a slim majority, because that’s easier than building things.
The two major things Democrats have brought us in the last 20 years have been Obamacare, which happened during the two months of actual control Democrats had, and the IRA, which was a masterful bit of politics that Biden and Democrats managed to pull off despite not having a supermajority.
So how do we break the cycle of Dems never getting enough power to do more than slap a band aid on things? Keep voting for them like I have for decades? Because that’s been working so fucking well.
And maybe if they acted like a goddamn opposition party Republicans wouldn’t be able to wreck shit with a bare majority. Like maybe don’t hand Donald Trump a blank check.
Get MORE people to vote for Democrats, it’s not rocket science. It’s not some great mystery. The party that gets more votes wins.
Why is that my problem? Shouldn’t the Democratic Party be doing that already? Isn’t that why they’re always begging for money? Wasn’t that what the billion dollars they wasted fighting Trump was for?
Why even have a political party if it’s up to individuals to do this?
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Because they haven’t actually won in a long ass time. Aside from the few months in 2012 that gave us the ACA, it’s been nothing but ties or Republican wins since the Bill Clinton days.
A political party that can’t get power should be destroyed.
The political parties are not fucking sports teams who go out there and play and either win or lose. You vote for them, or don’t, and they consequently win, or don’t.
And isn’t the first job of a political party to win those votes and hence the election?
Do you even know what a political party is? It’s not some company that you pay to provide you a service. It’s not some big vending machine where you put in x and are disappointed you didn’t receive y.
A political party is a group of people, largely volunteers, trying to convince people of their agendas.
You’re trying to purchase a victory for Dems with your vote but it doesn’t work like that. You’re treating it like you’re in line at McDonald’s ordering a burger but getting cat food and now you storm in waving your receipt and want to talk to the manager.
Right, and they’re trying to convince people about their agendas to try to win elections, right?
I don’t expect it to happen like a transaction. But I do expect the very expensive political consultants who the party employs to at least win something.
If a political party is as bad as the democrats at winning and keeping power, what’s the damn point beyond employing very expensive and ineffective political consultants?
The democrats have been failures my entire life, and I still vote for them. I still donate and I even volunteered. And all my efforts are for naught because the party is terrible at doing the first thing it needs to do: Win votes.
Definitely should look into voting MAGA.
Anyone who has a problem with democrats losing so goddamn always is MAGA, got it
If you just want a party that wins and you don’t care about how any of it works or what the party actually does, yeah, MAGA is for you. It’s great. When you win, cool. When you don’t, it’s because the other guys cheated.
You don’t want a political party that wins?
Yep, you’re a Democrat
Are you fucking joking?
I’m frustrated. Democrats win and don’t get anything done because of republicans and then lose and don’t bother resisting the republicans.
Republicans make things worse, of course , but democrats don’t or can’t make things better.
that’s a difference. Right there. Dems don’t make things better but they don’t make things worse. I hate dems but until new party forms I will encourage people to vote dem or at least third party over staying at home because that’s put us here. Once the GOP is gone we can collectively give dems the middle finger. DNC knows this which is why they act the way they do.
People have been saying this since I was able to vote: “Just vote for the dems you hate now until they have enough power then we can vote for who we want.”
And in all that time the republicans have gotten more powerful.
There will never be a time in my life where the GOP is gone. And probably not my children’s either.
Because not enough people FUCKING LISTENED.
Well I’ve been listening and I’m sick of pretending this strategy of “if only people would do what they should” is going to ever work
Of course you are. As am I. But that doesn’t mean I’m willing to just “give up.” Yes I’ll vote against Trump at all chance even if it means I’ll lose. Because I may not.
I don’t want a leader who is fucking exciting or a firebrand. I just want a competent administrator who treats the nation as something to be preserved. And that’s a hard sell against a cheap auto-salesman like Trump.
But those are the only two options. So you pick a democrat and hope for the best.
If the democrats are the best we can hope for then we are well and truly boned.
And how much longer am I gonna have to hold my nose and vote for an asshole I hate before they get enough power to mean I don’t have to?
Will I be dead before I can actually vote for someone I want to be in office? And even then will they have a stroke and start schlonging conservative dick?
Politics is a game designed to be so infuriating that most people rage quit.
This is why MAGA is winning. Even they aren’t this stupid.
Hint: he’s been a pro-MAGA agitator for ages. He’s always exclusively attacking Democrats. He is MAGA. Keep that in mind when trying to engage.
I’ve been doing the “smart thing” and voting blue in every election and writing y representatives and it clearly hasn’t worked.
You’re saying this in a thread about a Democrat who won. What is the difference of Chuck Schumer was there or not? It seems to be the same result either way.
Do you know how Congress works? I’m trying to determine if I have to explain what a “majority” means or not.
Republicans never had a problem fucking shit up when they didn’t have a majority. Dems should be doing the same thing. Kick and scream and make the Republicans fight every step of the way. Stop rolling over immediately and letting them fuck us all.
Because Republicans exist, fundamentally as a party, to break government. And it’s far far easier to break something than to improve it.
Right now they need to focus on stopping the republicans from doing shit, that’s it, and they’re not even trying. Everyone knows nothing is going to improve until Musk, Trump and the rest are gone so focus on just mucking up their works.
Oh yes here we go another comment about if they don’t have a complete and total majority that they have no power whatsoever. What fucking bunk. He was elected as a senator by the people of the state of New York. He has a solemn and sacred duty to serve those people. It doesn’t matter if other people didn’t win election it’s still his fucking job. If he can’t fucking do it he should resign as should the rest of the useless parasites in that party who don’t feel they have any responsibilities left to the public.
What a useless party this is and what useless people who are loyal to it.
You kids act like there’s some sort of consolation prize. Is it because you all got participation trophies or something when you were children? You lost the house, the senate, the presidency and the f’gin SCOTUS.
What political power do you think you really have anymore? Whining on lemmy about how you don’t want to vote for a boring candidate? No wonder MAGA is winning. They f’ing vote.
The complete destruction of civil rights, a stable state, trade relations, diplomatic relations, the integrity of elections, the actual health if the nation, so on and so on.
We lost Roe under Biden’s watch
The Memphis police department got COVID money from Congress that went into the pockets of the officers who beat Tyre Nichols to death on Biden’s watch
We torched whatever credibility we had left on human rights issues by arming Israel while they carried out a genocide when Biden was president
Republican led states passed tons of voter suppression laws while Biden was in the White House
See my comment about the destruction of civil rights
Boo hoo Republicans don’t cease to exist the moment a Democrat wins the presidency, therefore Democrats failed
Goddamn childish bullshit
Which has all happened despite me voting for them for the last 25 years
Bro wat.
Them winning makes it harder for the Chuck Schumer’s of the world to come up with excuses for caving to Republicans. Simply electing anyone with a (D) behind their name isn’t sufficient, but it is a necessary step one of unfucking the country.
Counterpoint: John Fetterman
Counterpoint: Kirsten Sinema
Counterpoint: Joe Manchin
Counterpoint: Joe Lieberman
Yeah, fair, but those are all step 2 problems. Like, Fetterman has been infuriatingly awful, but Dr. Oz would have been at least as bad.
We never get to step 2 because like clockwork they lose seats every couple years and we need those assholes just to keep a slim majority.
It’s been this way my entire life. Step 2 will never come.
Because you dumb shits stop voting for Dems. You keep going back to step 1.
I have been voting blue no matter who in every election since I turned 18.
Same. FWIW, I felt totally alone when I was complaining about this stuff decades ago, now even the most moderate people I know will say things about Republicans that I wouldn’t repeat on public forums.
Honestly, I don’t know if you’re right or not, but I do know that they will make it feel impossible right up until it actually happens, and I just don’t think there’s any better way forward than this (admittedly difficult) one
There’s no “they” doing it. It’s a fact of the structure of the government and 250 years of cruft. We can’t not vote for the democrats, no matter how bad they are, which means they don’t need to care what we think.
Who are the facists in this context? Shubert or the guys he’s voting with? Asking as im not based in us
Schumer is a Democratic Senator. On lemmy, you’ve got some people calling Republicans fascist, and another group calling Democrats fascist. The Republicans did a sig heil during Trump’s inauguration, so I’ll let you figure out which one is fascist.
Schumer is a Democrat so based on the context they’re referring to the Republican fascists
Thanks. Im not very good with names
I was just poking fun, not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings…
All good - i missed the c. I’m not republican. I’m not even a united-stater but norwegian
Edit: no, you cant have our eggs
It just made me chuckle because Schubert is a famous composer. I can’t explain why I found it funny but I did.
You should have voted blue because this time it would have worked for sure!
I mean, I’d rather have a milquetoast center-right Democrat than a fascist, given the de facto two-party system.
But maybe that’s just me.