Summary

Democrats must reclaim their identity as the party of the working class to regain electoral strength.

Despite pro-labor policies under Biden, working-class voters feel disconnected, seeing Democrats as defenders of a failing system.

The party’s decline traces back to NAFTA and neoliberal economic policies that favored corporations over workers.

A generational effort to prioritize labor rights, fair wages, and economic security while addressing working-class frustrations are needed.

Without serious reform, Democrats will continue losing ground to populist alternatives.

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    Ignorant Dutchman here:

    What’s stopping anyone from starting a new Workers’ party in the US? A multi party system seems more favorable than its current state.

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      first-past-the-post voting is the most common system in the States (and most prominent in presidential elections) which generally means additional parties rising to prominence will almost assuredly split the vote with the closest party so a new worker’s party will have to magically eclipse and obliterate the Democratic party overnight or they will both lose to the Republicans indefinitely.

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    Can’t be the party of wall st and the party of workers, at best you can pay lip service to one or the other, its no wonder which they would choose

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    That would require removing mega-rich conservatives from party leadership. I don’t see that happening.

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    Joe Biden was extremely left leaning for the average American. He did so many pro union things. He held an EV summit and didn’t invite Tesla, because they didn’t have a union. First president to cross a picket line. https://uwua.net/2023/10/president-bidens-union-record/ Democrat platforms have always been in the direction of higher taxes on the rich to fund more social safety nets. People just don’t like them because they aren’t good enough. When the alternative is explicitly anti-worker, anti-union, tax cuts for the rich, destroy social safety nets. This narrative needs to die. It’s not a failure of democrat policies or platform it’s just a failure of the media environment. It is purely a media problem. Democrats just need to start shitting out more tik toks and get more sycophantic youtubers like trump has, to jerk them off so the vibes shift.

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      People just don’t like them because they aren’t good enough.

      It’s more that they’re still all in on incrementalism, while the problems people face are worsening by leaps and bounds, and they’re actively hostile to members of their own party who advocate for advancing the sort of large-scale, structural changes needed to actually resolve the various crises bearing down on the working class. They’re also at odds with their base on major issues, such as healthcare reform, a robust social safety net that isn’t means-tested to death, and their obsession with supporting Israel, because they’ve been captured by the purse strings of their major donors. It certainly doesn’t help peoples’ opinion of them as embodying the out of touch elites who are deaf to the plight of the working class when party leadership comes out against [https://www.businessinsider.com/we-are-free-market-economy-pelosi-rejects-stock-ban-congress-2021-12?op=1](Congressional insider trading) that our representatives are notorious for exploiting to enrich themselves via privileged knowledge they gain through their positions.

      If they didn’t dump millions of dollars into primary challenges to progressive candidates that represent a challenge to the prevailing neoliberal order the Dem leadership so dearly loves, even when it means ultimately losing the race to a Republican, I doubt people would be so hostile to them, and the party would probably be in a better place. When party leadership won’t resolve their issues in a satisfactory manner, won’t listen to and incorporate criticism from their base, and actively fight their efforts to get elected officials who more accurately represent their views and values, it shouldn’t be a surprise that people decide to go elsewhere.

      You can’t publish enough TikToks and youtube videos to media manage your way out of a hostile, out of touch group having a death grip on the party and refusing to admit that, perhaps, the present situation is vastly different today than it was 3-4 decades ago when they were first elected.

      There are plenty of people, both politically engaged and those who only show up to vote every 4 years, who are legitimately dissatisfied with the Democratic Party’s deafness to the problems facing the average voter, and as long as the Democrats and their supporters continue to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it’s all down to a hostile media environment, the further down the path to complete irrelevance they’ll find themselves.

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        Incrementalism is just democracy, shit moves slow, people disagree, there are laws and procedures it prevents the country from wildly steering back and forth like a schizo. Not anymore now that Trump has won, we get to see those large scale structural changes now. There is no hostile out of touch group with a death grip on the dems, the far left just doesn’t vote, or they are not that big of a group. Moderate dems appeal to more Americans then the super progressives. Harris lost by like 1-2%, and that is AFTER trump/elon most likely rigged the election through suppression and probably also hacked voting machines. The far left not voting for Harris knowing full well that Trump is an actual fascist, is suicidal accelerationism that will get millions killed. Fuck em, get the fuck out, stop associating yourselves with dems. Make your own shitty fucking party and lose every election instead of pretending your dems and then throwing a hissy fit every time the candidate doesn’t do fascism the way you want.

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          Great stump speech for why your preferred party isn’t just a bunch of people hostile to anyone who disagrees with them. With people like you representing them, I’m sure they’ll be able to win consecutive elections, rather than just getting the odd touch of power when people get tired of the GOP’s nonsense. Keep telling yourself it’s the voters that are wrong and stupid, and not your party, buddy.

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            keep telling yourself that you represent “the voters,” any not a tiny group of white college kids

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              Says the guy backing the same group that lost 4/7 presidential elections since 2000, including two (against Trump) that people thought nobody could possibly lose, since he was that terrible a candidate. You guys are killing it at getting people to agree with your platform, and it’s totally in line with what the broader population wants.

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      Plus by 2024 he had over 90% of Class 1 Freight workers the sick leave their unions had fought for in the strikes earlier in his term.

      It’s definitely an issue with the spread of information and not with actual policy stances.

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        I didn’t even know that one. It’s so sad how Biden’s name has gotten dragged through the mud.

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    Nobody is coming to save us. The working class needs to organize to save itself.

    The good news is that if it works, we’ll be in a much better place than where we were a decade ago. It’s going to take a lot of hard work, and we all need to pitch in a little to make it happen. It might not work, but there’s nothing to lose in trying except our chains.

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      General Strike. Shut the country down, they’ll get violent. They will use the police and the national guard to attempt to break the strike. But hold firm, because then they’ll beg.

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        They can break up a picket line, but they can’t stop you all going home in response to it. The end result is the strike continues. Or as it’s a general strike just move somewhere else.

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        Which is why I have always contended the first place to strike is against the police, government, and churches.

        Not healthcare CEOs, and business… as long as your local police department, legislature building, and local church are undisturbed nothing will change.

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          You have to admit that healthcare CEOs make for a great target.

          A better target is the Healthcare Group board of directors.

          The CEO is just hired management. The directors…

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            Cops are a lot more available and plentiful so people can hone their skills. Plus it’s just all around good for humanity

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      Yup. The Democrats as we’ve known them need to die or completely metamorphose. I don’t want my political party to be friends with CEO’s and billionaires, I want my political party to get the American people’s fair share. I want my party to look upon trillion dollar companies and billion dollar families with the same disgust and ire I have. There’s no such thing as a good billionaire, a good person could never take that much.

      Let’s bust some monopolies, let’s tax the fuck outta tycoons. Stop giving billions of government dollars to privately owned and traded companies. Let’s invest in infrastructure projects that make our country better. Who gives a fucking shit about GDP, it doesn’t make my life better.

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    No shit. Now convince the democratic party leadership that winning elections is more important that kissing donor ass.

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      Now convince the democratic party leadership that serving their constituents is more important that kissing donor ass.

      Convince them of that, and the winning elections thing will solve itself.

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        lol no it won’t. If I’m a Republican candidate, I can literally just say some culture war bullshit and still beat you in an election. Especially if you’re a woman or a minority.

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      Their goal is never to win elections. Their only goal is to prevent leftist movements and organization from gaining positions of power. To defend these status quo.

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        Wouldn’t be surprised if you are in a situation where it needs to get worse before it can get better. Vote 3rd party so heavily that it kills one of the major parties. All the people that didn’t turn up vote for someone else?

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      The best way is to bring single payer health care.

      Every other G7 nation has it

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        They tried to do that the moment they had senate supermajority with caucusing ind over a decade ago, but caucusing ind Joe Lieberman voted against it and the GOP filibustered it in 2010.

        They haven’t even had more than 50 since like 2013, they only had bare minimum to select majority leader in 2021 because of caucusing independents and VP tiebreaker.

        If you want single payer then the only way to get that is not to change the DNC, it’s to convince millions more people to vote for them or to remove Republicans.

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          ACA was never going to be single payer. Lieberman played the bad guy to kill the public option, but it was pretty obvious it was only there to be bargained out in the first place.

          Single payer, on the other hand, was never even considered to be an option.

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      Don’t convince national Democratic leadership of anything. They’re too disconnected and don’t care about any state they don’t live in. Run for, and take control of state Democratic parties. Start telling national leadership your terms for your state supporting or working with them.

      If enough people do that. They will change or become irrelevant.

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        most of them dont want to ruffle the feathers of the same donors that gets the GOP elected, theres one too many DINOS in the dnc, just need to rout out those first, which is a first step

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        The only ones that get any level of power or influence within the party are ones that will defend the status quo. A system that’s operating as designed cannot be reformed from within.

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          It’s actually a pretty low bar to clear. You can even claim a decent annual wage off campaign donations if its your only income source, so a literal unemployed homeless person could run if he got the party endorsement.

          The only concern is if the state has active politicians on the ticket that you would be competing against, such as career politicians, long time staffers, and volunteers who would be seen as more preferable. You could still fill one of those staffer, intern, and/or volunteer positions to make your voice heard as well.

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              The state party has some resources here on volunteering and when the state committee meets for elections and whatnot.

              You can go here and look at your county party website as well, they’ll have more info on how to get involved/run there. I looked at a few, most of them had a way of singing up to be a committee person.

              Best of luck!

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          Missouri. Not sure why you’re being downvoted for asking that. We generally even in larger metropolitan areas have a ton of offices that no one other than Republicans run for. Which is part of why this is a red state. National Democrats don’t even try to field candidates for anything but the biggest offices. Which often backfires denying them even those.

          All states need to take back their leadership and a lot of the funding from the national party. The National Party should be nothing more than a body that coordinates the state parties. Not the actual leadership itself. That’s part of the reason they seem so disconnected. Because they are

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            People downvote you for anything other than agreeing with their echo chamber message. Not that I even disagree with what this thread is saying. That’s just how it is

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        The problem is that they see donations as the end goal and no longer give a shit if they lose.

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        They don’t have to be. Present the people with policies that they want and the public will do all the work themselves.

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            A motivated voter seriously engaging with their social network is worth a lot more than an ad buy. The whole ad world is trying to smuggle their advertising as the genuine thoughts of a real person and politics is acting like it’s still the age of Must See TV.

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              True but is there any indication of that currently working on the same level in terms of the return on the ad buy that a TV ad can produce? Ads are passive and they work.

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                Do they? We’ve outspent Trump in three elections now and still lost two of them. Is there any actual measure of the value of an ad for political purposes? It’s not like business where you could note an increase in sales after you run an ad campaign, there’s one single opportunity to “buy” and it’s a secret. Anything you learn in that one campaign you just have to hope still applies years later in a different environment with a different candidate.

                I’m sure they have some benefit, but the only time I’ve ever seen someone talk about political advertising was either when they were sick of seeing them or when an ad was going viral because regular people were using their social networks to share it.

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                  Yes, they do work. Anyone who thinks marketing and advertising are ineffective on them ate just ignorant of how ads work on them.

                  If you study advertising or marketing you’ll inevitable learn about Charmin toilet paper in the USA. They ran a campaign that was irritating regarding people squeezing toilet paper rolls because they were so soft. “Don’t squeeze the Charmin” was their slogan. People hated the ad. They complained about the ad to stations but Charmin also sold a shitload of toilet paper based on this ad campaign so even irritating ads can work.

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            And guess what the innovation in advertising this last cycle was? Cheap, to voters, text messages asking for funding. Sounds like a great time to dump the dead-weight corpos and win some elections

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      Here I thought “providing the better option in a binary race” would be enough; but snowflake voters need individual attention?

      “Here. We’ll keep a traitorous felon out of office because that’s the choice” and people still preferred the felon.

      I think we need to start by apologizing to the Democrats for being stupid. Not just “oops I voted wrong” stupid, but “oops I voted for the Russian agent who’s raped everything he touches and sold every secret he probably touched too, and is now oddly hellbent on destroying a country as a favour to Russia” stupid.

      That’s a lotta stupid.

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    yeah the party of insider trading will definitely be the workers’ party if you wish it hard enough.

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          Assuming they spent every dollar her husband made in his life while being an investment banker, and just put her wages in, using 10% average growth (10 year average is over that for the Stock market).

          She is below average for the market. She’d be worth about 210 million. But she’s way lower than that in real life.

          When you can deposit $174,000 to income annually into the market… You arent playing the same struggles that we are.

          Her money would very likely check out, you have to remember she’s been in office for 48 years. That’s a long fucking time. She was at JFK’s inauguration as a 20 year old student studying to become a Congress member.

          I don’t think she’s a good person, but when people accuse her I think they overlook how long she’s worked

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            This is satire right? It’s painfully obvious that she is insider trading and has been doing so along with her husband for years.

            She just casually outperforms all the best stock traders in the world every year for the last 40+ years.

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    Democrats should be doing a lot of things instead of waiting around for those “good” billionaires to show up. Both parties need to split and take huge chunks of resources with them to form a party that actually does represent the majority. This has happened before in American history but, at this point, it’s just wishful thinking I guess.

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    That’ll be the day.

    The Democrat party is not a democratic party, they are a neoliberal, technocratic party. They don’t want the people to rule, they want neoliberal technocrats to rule. I don’t see that changing, anytime soon.

    A workers’ party would have to be a majoritarian, democratic party, because the workers are the vast majority of the population.

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      MAGA took over the GOP in just a few years. I think the same thing can happen to the DNC. Just need a little propaganda, some charismatic leadership, and people willing to slander the establishment.

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        MAGA had a lot of money pushed at it. The Koch Bros independently funded the Tea Party movement until Trump was created, then Russian money began to flow.

        There is no such money faucet for leftist groups. In fact, a massive lack of funding has been one of the chief struggles these groups have had for decades.

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        This took decades. They started in the 1970s. If you think this happened over a few years you are either young or paying attention to the wrong things

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          Eh, this particular movement started in the 1990s. Then they got focused in the 2010s.

          There’s a lot of stuff that also started in the 70s, but the MAGA stuff is way more recent and beyond what they had dreamed would be possible in the 70s. They really, really didnt count on their voters largely giving up on any semblence - claimed or real - of principles. Which was a huge win for them.

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            The Christian nationalism starts with Roe debatably even with the Civil Rights movement. The Christian nationalists are the driving force behind this movement. Remember when Iran revolted the religious elements didn’t take over immediately.

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        MAGA voted for Republicans.

        If you’re suggesting the left change the DNC by starting to vote for them, then I’m in.

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        It won’t happen because Anyone left of center is too fucking worried about supporting a candidate that isn’t completely perfect in their eyes than they are about making actual progress.

        Edit- and just like that, like moths to a flame, people come by to prove me right.

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          I dont think asking for “not in support of wildly illegal war crimes” was a big ask. But evidently the centrists were willing to throw the entire country to permanent fascism to stand on their principle that AIPAC money needed to continue to flow to DNC bank accounts. But yes, the voters are to blame here, clearly.

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    As a non American, I’ve been told by an American colleagues that the Republicans are traditionally the worker’s party. Could someone please clarify?

    Additionally, my opinion is that the entire system needs to be abolished to allow representation from more than two parties to represent how diverse America is.

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      So a long time ago, you could argue the Republicans were the worker’s party. Abolionist-focused, was comfortable with immigrants more than other parties at the time, and Lincoln even exchanged letters with Karl Marx, but indrectly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_of_the_International_Working_Men’s_Association_to_Abraham_Lincoln

      Republicans in the 1800s stood for minimum wage, pushed for suffrage of women, and other generally good ideas like “Maybe we should listen to the unionists who are willing to die for an 8 hour work week.”

      But over the centuries since, the lines blurred. In the 1930s a Democrat pushed for expansions of the social net due to the great depression. In the 1950s, a Republican advocated for billions to spent on the interstate highway system, that has never once made a dime back over the last decades.

      Then the southern strategy happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Republicans marketed themselves towards the white South as a way to say “Hey we back what you stand for, whatever it is” and that’s when South started to vote for Republicans, and Nixon took advantage of this.

      But the Republicans today don’t even care about the white workers, they don’t about any workers, they only care about the rich. Have been since at least the 1980s from Ronald Reagan. Democrats lately tend to protect the workers more, but it varies from state to federal, but generally wages are up with Democrats, and we’ve had more expansions of workers rights with them.

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      It’s like pro wrestling. Their gimmick is that they are working class that busts their assess working hard labor jobs to feed their families. The democratic gimmick is that of well meaning and educated individuals seeking a bright future.

      But in reality is that they are both moronic abusive assholes and one is a nazi.

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      https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2018-05-01-the-myth-of-the-republican-democrat-switch/

      Tldr: Democrats were the party of the South until the 90s

      Alabama, for example, didn’t elect a Republican governor until 1986. Mississippi didn’t elect one until 1991. Georgia didn’t elect one until 2002.

      Claims Nixon was the Republican who came up with the idea of pandering to racists

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_States_presidential_election

      See Jimmy Carter’s support in the South

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      How far back are they talking “traditionally”? You can make an argument that they were a century ago. Not a particularly strong argument, but there’s an argument. Go back even further, and Karl Marx himself was congratulating Abraham Lincoln. After all, slaves are the most exploited workers.

      The last 50 years, though? Absolutely not, but their bleating about “coastal elites” hoodwinks a lot of people to think otherwise.

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          Because they’re jealous of a state that isn’t a shit hole

          Source: Californian with family in a red state: if you’re close enough to them they’ll admit it unknowingly

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            I think that all makes sense. A state government that wants to improve the working class will generally be more rich, and a state that doesn’t will have more poor.

            Nice. When another debate comes up in the office, I’ll have some ammo

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        Their words were something to the effect of Democrats always campaigning with celebrities and supported by rich people, while Republicans are supported by the poor and don’t campaign with rich people (I did point out Musk to them and they replied that Musk is a hard worker etc.).

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          Thanks for the follow up. The notion is totally at odds with their actions and efforts, and it’s kind of disheartening to hear their reasoning. I shouldn’t be surprised though.

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    Yes, AND it’s worth bearing in mind that some democratic strategists apparently think the path to being the “worker’s party” is to embrace social conservatism. Trans people aren’t the reason I will never retire, they aren’t the reason I’ll never be able to take my kids on a real vacation, or why we’re one “get fucked lmao” from being bankrupted by health insurance. The assholes in this party who have a vision of trying to capture moderate Republicans need to show themselves the door. Bernie and Trump both show that you’ll get the votes when you promise big changes to this busted ass system AND people believe that you’ll actually do it. Stop trying to be yesteryear republicans; start promising shit that hurts the big donors’ feelings and meaning it.

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    The same neoliberal policies republicans supported yet aren’t held accountable for because 🤷‍♂️

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      They kinda were. People hate “RINOs,” ofc Trump is in reality just more of the same, but like the author said he represents a “wrecking ball,” and only thing resembling a deviation from the mainstream Washington consensus.

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      Because no one expects anything but terrible policy, like those neoliberal ones, from the GOP. People think the dems will be for the people and workers not just the wealthy