A press conference in the Oval Office with President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Zelensky turned contentious after Vance slammed Zelensky for campaigning with former Vice President Kamala Harris. The chaotic meeting appears to have squashed Zelensky’s opportunity to sign a mineral deal with the US.…
I keep seeing this complete lie of “kidnapping people” on Xitter et al.
They are arresting draft doders just like the US did during their war on Vietnam. It’s not like they are putting people in black vans to Guantanamo.
They are arresting draft doders just like the US did during their war on Vietnam.
and it was so unpopular for americans that it led to the end of the war rather than subject their population to this stort of treatment; a lot like ukrainians right now
whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.
if we we’re to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.
I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I’m talking about the real world, where there’s a draft, with consequences for dodging it.
So, no. By definition it’s not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name, and it’s also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it’s worse than kidnapping.
I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn’t. Their “liberate Kyyv in one week” goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump.
Trump is immaterial. In case you don’t follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario.
it’s worse than kidnapping.
It could be worse than “kidnapping”, but it’s still not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it’s not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).
I keep seeing this complete lie of “kidnapping people” on Xitter et al. They are arresting draft doders just like the US did during their war on Vietnam. It’s not like they are putting people in black vans to Guantanamo.
and it was so unpopular for americans that it led to the end of the war rather than subject their population to this stort of treatment; a lot like ukrainians right now
The point is that it’s not “kidnapping”.
Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Taking someone against their will and putting them in a cell that they can’t escape sure seems to fit the definition to me!
It was kidnapping then and it’s kidnapping now.
Do you support the Vietnam draft and oppose the protests against it or something?
It’s not kidnapping, it’s law, like it or not. But if you have a felon President, I guess law doesn’t matter that much.
whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.
if we we’re to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.
I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I’m talking about the real world, where there’s a draft, with consequences for dodging it. So, no. By definition it’s not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name, and it’s also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it’s worse than kidnapping.
(confusion)
I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn’t. Their “liberate Kyyv in one week” goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump. Trump is immaterial. In case you don’t follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario.
It could be worse than “kidnapping”, but it’s still not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it’s not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).
Glad we agree it’s not kidnapping then.