As I recall, there were fuck-tons of blowhard tankie trolls berating everyone and accusing anyone voting democrat of being “gEnoCiDe sUpPoRtErS” and that everyone should either vote for dipshit unknown, untested, 3rd party clowns, or not vote at all.
So… I took a look around and yeah… there’s no high road for you here.
I don’t know why you went out of your way to use the mocking “gEnoCiDe sUpPoRtErS” while, when, an actual genocide was being committed. You can disagree with the strategy of not voting for genocide supporters in elections, and there may even be compelling reasons when the alternative is trump, but mocking the people who prioritise not supporting genocide isn’t a very high moral ground in my opinion.
More than attempting for third parties to win, the whole “conditioning the vote on an end to genocide” was attempted at forcing the democrat administration to end the genocide under threat of losing the elections, not “let’s make sure that X third person gets elected”. The democratic party was clear: we will not compromise in our support of genocide even if it costs us the elections. So they lost.
I mock it because before the genocide in Gaza, there was another genocide that NONE of you gave a shit about. Also, before the conflict in Palestine, NONE of you cared to know that there was shit going on over there for decades. I’d even go so far as to wager that most of you couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map prior to last October- and some of you probably STILL can’t.
So, forgive me for recognizing crocodiles tears when I see them. Because I’m not buying the bullshit. You for sold on a propaganda campaign.
I mock it because before the genocide in Gaza, there was another genocide that NONE of you gave a shit about.
Care to elaborate?
Is even go so far as to wager that most of you couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map prior to last October
Even if you were right, what’s the point of that argument? “Increased sensibility to genocide as a consequence of people being able to learn from it from non-US-controlled outlets and social media because of the new availability of smartphones all over the world” negates being able to care about genocide? People 10 years ago couldn’t open their smartphones and see live footage of children being bombed to death by Israel, and being able to see that despite the mass media apparatus in the US being entirely pro-Israel is a new thing. Surely more people finding out about the genocide isn’t a bad thing?
The fact that you even had to ask illustrates my point.
Surely more people finding out about the genocide isn’t a bad thing?
Finding out about genocide, and using as leverage in an election where the collapse of democracy is on the table are not even remotely similar.
Again. Most of you didn’t give two shits about what was happening over there- and then suddenly you all cared so much that it was worth sacrificing your own country to save another that, as mentioned- most of you hardly gave a shit that it even existed a year ago.
The fact that you even had to ask illustrates my point
There is more than one ongoing genocide, it’s just that the one in Palestine is the one the US is most obviously funding and supporting, which makes it relevant to USian politics.
Finding out about genocide, and using as leverage in an election where the collapse of democracy is on the table are not even remotely similar.
Finding out about genocide and being able to tell your representatives that you won’t vote them if they go on genociding people because that doesn’t represent you, seems pretty coherent and moral to me.
suddenly you all cared so much that it was worth sacrificing your own country
I’m not USian btw, I’m not sacrificing my own country. Arguably the ones sacrificing the country are the ones putting only unelectable candidates who run a campaign of genocide against literal fascists. If the Trump administration was so patently fascist and the Democrats, with full presidential power (and immunity as proven by Trump), did nothing to stop them, the fault is every bit as much in the Democrat camp as in the Republican.
Refuse to act against fascists while in government -> run a campaign on genocide and the “most lethal armed forces in the world” with a non-electable candidate changed 3 months before the election -> lose elections to fascists -> blame the voters
It’s not contrarianism. If the best argument for voting Democrat was “they’re not Donald Trump” then they fucked up as a political party running a presidential campaign. Blame your horribly shitty Democratic party for being unelectable, not the people who weren’t convinced they should support them.
The Democrats made a conscious, politically-motivated choice to pretend that Americans are not financially suffering to any significant degree (patently absurd), to parade around billionaires and buddy up with a Cheney of all people, to ooh rah about guns, the border, and the military, and to silence and shut out the voices of victims of genocide and their supporters while praising and platforming people who represent those committing said genocide. Gee, I wonder why they lost??? It’s a total mystery.
The Democrats designed their campaign around reaching out to right wing voters, most of whom were always going to vote Republican because they always vote Republican, no matter whose name is on the card, and basically just told the left to go fuck themselves but to vote for them anyways.
The Democrats are a joke and they have nobody to blame for their loss but themselves. But that’s not what Dem aligned mainstream media tells you, right? No, according to them you can never blame the rich and powerful people who failed to gain the support they needed to win. No it’s always the fault of other, regular people. Especially if they’re on the LEFT!!! No don’t blame the rich and powerful! Never blame the rich and powerful! Just blame the people screaming for a political party to actually represent them.
I fucking wish US politics didn’t affect the rest of the world and they didn’t take up 99% of the discourse online, but sadly that’s the state of affairs, go to a general purpose instance like lemm.ee or like reddthat.com, browse by all federated instances, and tell me how many of the posts are about US politics.
Ending conversations with people because they’re not from your country, when your country projects its power and its politics outwards overwhelmingly, isn’t productive
As I recall, there were fuck-tons of blowhard tankie trolls berating everyone and accusing anyone voting democrat of being “gEnoCiDe sUpPoRtErS” and that everyone should either vote for dipshit unknown, untested, 3rd party clowns, or not vote at all.
So… I took a look around and yeah… there’s no high road for you here.
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I don’t know why you went out of your way to use the mocking “gEnoCiDe sUpPoRtErS” while, when, an actual genocide was being committed. You can disagree with the strategy of not voting for genocide supporters in elections, and there may even be compelling reasons when the alternative is trump, but mocking the people who prioritise not supporting genocide isn’t a very high moral ground in my opinion.
More than attempting for third parties to win, the whole “conditioning the vote on an end to genocide” was attempted at forcing the democrat administration to end the genocide under threat of losing the elections, not “let’s make sure that X third person gets elected”. The democratic party was clear: we will not compromise in our support of genocide even if it costs us the elections. So they lost.
I mock it because before the genocide in Gaza, there was another genocide that NONE of you gave a shit about. Also, before the conflict in Palestine, NONE of you cared to know that there was shit going on over there for decades. I’d even go so far as to wager that most of you couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map prior to last October- and some of you probably STILL can’t.
So, forgive me for recognizing crocodiles tears when I see them. Because I’m not buying the bullshit. You for sold on a propaganda campaign.
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I don’t speak to unprovable anecdotal claims.
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Care to elaborate?
Even if you were right, what’s the point of that argument? “Increased sensibility to genocide as a consequence of people being able to learn from it from non-US-controlled outlets and social media because of the new availability of smartphones all over the world” negates being able to care about genocide? People 10 years ago couldn’t open their smartphones and see live footage of children being bombed to death by Israel, and being able to see that despite the mass media apparatus in the US being entirely pro-Israel is a new thing. Surely more people finding out about the genocide isn’t a bad thing?
The fact that you even had to ask illustrates my point.
Finding out about genocide, and using as leverage in an election where the collapse of democracy is on the table are not even remotely similar.
Again. Most of you didn’t give two shits about what was happening over there- and then suddenly you all cared so much that it was worth sacrificing your own country to save another that, as mentioned- most of you hardly gave a shit that it even existed a year ago.
Shameful and pathetic.
There is more than one ongoing genocide, it’s just that the one in Palestine is the one the US is most obviously funding and supporting, which makes it relevant to USian politics.
Finding out about genocide and being able to tell your representatives that you won’t vote them if they go on genociding people because that doesn’t represent you, seems pretty coherent and moral to me.
I’m not USian btw, I’m not sacrificing my own country. Arguably the ones sacrificing the country are the ones putting only unelectable candidates who run a campaign of genocide against literal fascists. If the Trump administration was so patently fascist and the Democrats, with full presidential power (and immunity as proven by Trump), did nothing to stop them, the fault is every bit as much in the Democrat camp as in the Republican.
Refuse to act against fascists while in government -> run a campaign on genocide and the “most lethal armed forces in the world” with a non-electable candidate changed 3 months before the election -> lose elections to fascists -> blame the voters
If you’re not from here, then you’re not who I’m talking about and are just here to play contrarian.
I don’t entertain contrarians.
It’s not contrarianism. If the best argument for voting Democrat was “they’re not Donald Trump” then they fucked up as a political party running a presidential campaign. Blame your horribly shitty Democratic party for being unelectable, not the people who weren’t convinced they should support them.
The Democrats made a conscious, politically-motivated choice to pretend that Americans are not financially suffering to any significant degree (patently absurd), to parade around billionaires and buddy up with a Cheney of all people, to ooh rah about guns, the border, and the military, and to silence and shut out the voices of victims of genocide and their supporters while praising and platforming people who represent those committing said genocide. Gee, I wonder why they lost??? It’s a total mystery.
The Democrats designed their campaign around reaching out to right wing voters, most of whom were always going to vote Republican because they always vote Republican, no matter whose name is on the card, and basically just told the left to go fuck themselves but to vote for them anyways.
The Democrats are a joke and they have nobody to blame for their loss but themselves. But that’s not what Dem aligned mainstream media tells you, right? No, according to them you can never blame the rich and powerful people who failed to gain the support they needed to win. No it’s always the fault of other, regular people. Especially if they’re on the LEFT!!! No don’t blame the rich and powerful! Never blame the rich and powerful! Just blame the people screaming for a political party to actually represent them.
I fucking wish US politics didn’t affect the rest of the world and they didn’t take up 99% of the discourse online, but sadly that’s the state of affairs, go to a general purpose instance like lemm.ee or like reddthat.com, browse by all federated instances, and tell me how many of the posts are about US politics.
Ending conversations with people because they’re not from your country, when your country projects its power and its politics outwards overwhelmingly, isn’t productive
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“Untested” reads like a major endorsement compared to establishment Dems.
I’m not surprised you don’t know what it means