I believe in Fediverse Supremacy!
For the average consumer it just isn’t the same without being screwed by big companies.
Imagine the hacker news userbase getting drowned out by redditors and bots on a massive scale never seen before. Anybody coming back to the site will scoff at the idea of yet another board wasted by enshitification.
impractical, yes. But the point still stands.
I believe in viewing as much propaganda as possible, because it helps you better see and understand it. No country is acting in our self-interest as a species right now. It is interesting what different people are allowed to say/not say on different apps. (My goal for this year is to learn enough Turkish to get on the Turkish web and better understand the weird cult that doesn’t get along with Erdoğan - they run lots of charter schools in the US for some reason.)
The fediverse is nice, but is never going to be mainstream. It’s not designed to be addicting, because that isn’t its purpose. Maybe it is for the best to have these small holdouts where you can have something analogous to the early internet - where saying “suicide” or “kill” or talking about sensitive topics doesn’t mean your post will never be seen. These small spaces won’t be bought and destroyed.
The UX here needs to drastically improve for more people to see it as an viable alternative.
I use Sync for mobile app and Photon for a web interface. But I think most people are not okay with having to search for these options.
Exactly that yes, it took me a while to find Photon, and I’m someone that’s passionate about tech and works in tech.
Your average new user is going to give up long before that and never use the site again.
It’s also confusing to pick which instance to start with (users need to be guided more)
About the instance choice, I believe it’s easier to get used to since people use e-mail and Mastodon is already quite popular.
I mean, the web UI looks clean enough for me. 🤷♂️
For you yes, I’m also okay with it. Bit it’s not great as smooth and nice as what the vast majority of people are used to
I honestly don’t think the fediverse will ever take off - and that’s a good thing. If it was to get too mainstream, eventually it would need to be standardised and controllerd to accommodate the average person, which would defeat the point of the fediverse as a whole. Imagine if everyone started using Linux as their daily driver tomorrow; a lot would be fixed, but a lot of the original identity would be broken
Imagine if everyone started using Linux as their daily driver tomorrow; a lot would be fixed, but a lot of the original identity would be broken
That’s like saying: “Imagine every country just got rid of monarchy became Republics”
Linux propaganda 😎👉
We should form our own propaganda. Not as a counterpoint, but as part of a wider fediverse identity.
But to successfully do this without being grouped together with one of the more mainstream platforms, it will have to be one so far removed from established axis’ of alignments:
- Impossible to place on left vs right.
- Impossible to compared with authoritarianism vs democracy
- Cannot be tied to a specific geopolitical agenda
- cannot align with a specific country’s interests
How about this: “Sasquatch did 9/11 to distract us from the fact that Big Farming puts nutrients in our food, and the Dutch lgbtq communities are the only one who can save us”
Impossible to place on left vs right
Not possible unfortunately 😅
What you’ve come up with there would be considered “left wing” 😂
Ok, let’s add some war hawking in there: A pro-colonialist stance in regards to invading Bouvet island.
Who’d want that place, I read that weird birds will steal your fish & chips there.
lol the British flag in the bottom right
After Brexit they just wanted to be part of something… anything.
Sorry, but I cannot abide the Dutch
Dude. The Russian propaganda flows freely around here.
Dont worry, if you put propoganda of opposite polarity together they cancel eachother out. /s
No no no. Propaganda is inherently Russian.
You don’t have to interact with .ml instances, you know?
If you think it’s contained within one instance then you are the exact type of mark they are after.
Pushing anti-Russia propaganda? Clearly a Democrat shill.
I mean, freedom means all propaganda is welcome, so that should cancel out, right? Right?
Unless you mean saying the truths that Ukrain is Fash, and that Ukraine is loosing and will lose is state funded propoganda (My bank account says otherwise) I do not know what you are talking about
From my time on Lemmy. There seems to be a lot of American propaganda on here from people.
I see a lot of Chinese propaganda as well
And Russian and North Korea for some reason
The amount of people here who will try to convince you that NK is some sort of paradise here is insane.
NK is some sort of paradise
The bar for “paradise” is so low. Just living in a country where you don’t have chronic homelessness, endless war, and rampant medical bankruptcy seems to qualify.
North Korea has been in a war since it was created.
This is exactly the shit I was talking about.
Sometimes I don’t know if it’s propaganda or some inferiority complex because I’ve seen some propaganda from my country (MX) and if I try to go against it I get downvoted constantly (a lot less since I joined an instance that blocked ml, grad and hex) by people adamant into telling me how they lived here for a while, they have family here or how I am ignorant about that country, like… Bitch, everyone in my family has lived here for 3 generations at least, don’t come here to tell me how things work when I have to deal with the consequences of a kakistocracy that keeps shitting on everything.
A lot of the fediverse users just have to be right when it comes to politics… And vaping, don’t you dare have questions or doubts about vaping because they get mad.yeah but there’s tankies too, so it cancels out
Do you think actual sponsored accounts/bots or just indoctrinated people?
100% just indoctrinated people, lemmy is too small to catch anyone’s attention.
You tend to have very extreme views, which sometimes get heavily downvoted. It’s convenient for you to blame that on “American indoctrination.”
And as you say, Lemmy is too small. So maybe it’s just that a lot of people here do not agree with your views.
Even for people, who are not Leninist/Stalinist or similar, it is noticeable.
From my perspective (being not from the US) us-american arrogance is very present on lemmy.
us-american arrogance is very present
on lemmyliterally everywhere.ftfy
Those aren’t mutually exclusive; “American indoctrination.” is the reason so many lemmitors disagree with such extreme views as “sending weapons that prolong war is bad for the people who will suffer the effects of those weapons, mostly civilians”, “supporting al-nusra is bad”, “we shouldn’t put tariffs on EVs and solar panels”, or “the chinese government having your data is less of a threat to you than the american government having your data”
Both, but there was definitely blatant astroturfing after Biden withdrew and Kamala became the nominee.
I think we just have a surprising amount of political staffers in Lemmy. The bulk does seem to be wealthy people living in suburbs. Look at how the biggest groups are people self hosting thousands and thousands of dollars of equipment.
Surprising amount of political staffers… As if that is a class of people. Those people are normies and not tech savvy. They’re all workaholics too so most of them probably only used LinkedIn for social media.
Your idea that people who self-host somehow equals political staffers is just asinine. There’s literally no overlap.
i really doubt any major organizations are paying for bots, at least not on lemmy. we’re just not big enough methinks
if there are any it’s probably a smaller operation done by a few people max.Meth inks?
the methamphetamine epidemic has hit the squid population hard
does Fediverse have a short form video content platform? cuz that’s what people really care about these days
(also side note, we all really should avoid or limit short form video content consumption…)
I believe Pixelfed Loops is the only one currently, it’s actually not half bad, apart from how barebones and stuttery the app is, which isn’t a big deal since the issues are only occasional.
I haven’t checked it out yet but “loops” is supposed to be that
I don’t understand it at all. I find it infuriating. I need long videos to play in the background while I work. I can’t get anything done with this short crap. Maybe that’s the point…
Short-form videos, like many things in modern society (e.g. many video games) are essentially just a Skinner Box. You scroll, watch the video, get a hit of pleasure, and then the video automatically replays. That cues you to scroll. Repeat. It’s easy to get stuck in that loop, especially if you already are struggling with executive dysfunction and can’t find motivation/pleasure in ordinary activities.
I guess I just don’t get the hit of pleasure from it. I feel like I’m just getting into whatever it is and then it blue-balls me.
I mean, that’s just two different purposes of two different formats.
Short form content is not made to be played in the background while you work, nor is it made for intricate and detailed analysis or essays. It’s made to have something occupy your mind during short breaks like toilet or smoke break or while waiting for the bus or something.
Long and short form content don’t compete but compliment with each other. If you don’t like one or the other, that’s totally fine, then you’re just not part of the target audience.
Seems like there’s suddenly a lot of shills for other platforms here.
There are no bots on Lemmy, bleep bloop.
Not that lemmy isnt free, but just about every instance aside from .world is very left wing, and even here on world just about everyone hates right leaning people.
That being said, you should look up the election posters of the German „die partei”. Their posters, especially the ones regarding Nazis, really vibes with me
Depends heavily even then, but Lemmy is pretty okay as a community and I think it’s been the most successful fediverse experience so far
That’s so sad. Anyway
raises hand from a popular and politically agnostic instance
Cool!
Not just right leaning people, but also centrists and people who aren’t far enough left
My god, where will the centrists turn to without lemmy :'(
Exhibit A
We got https://loops.video/ right?
Yes and no, you still have admins here, just like on Reddit, you can get locked out of interacting with thousands of people at the whim of your instance’s admin and the only recourse you’ll have is to join another one instead…
“The only recourse you’ll have” is the whole point. You have no recourse on Reddit. There is no other Reddit server. There are many Lemmy servers, all over the world, with very different views and policies.
And you’re just jumping from one instance to another with admins that can censor you again and again. You create your own instance and other instances’ admins can censor you by defederating from your own instance.
Just out of curiosity, what’s your solution?
(Putting aside that what you describe is still far more room for ban evasion than non-fediverse platforms.)
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16065977
Basically, decentralize the back-end independently of the front-end, eliminate admins altogether, mods still exist but they only have power on their communities, they don’t have site wide power.
That wouldn’t work that well, especially when you take law into regard. For example, the european Digital Services Act regulates platforms and platforms have to respond to obligations, sometimes deleting content. Communities are not platforms, instances are. Ergo, you need instance admins be able to comply and respond to the DSA.
The server owners would take care of the content hosted on their server and would need to filter it based on their local laws (to remove CSAM for example, just like current admins need to do), but otherwise this type of decentralization would make the website pretty much a neutral zone that operates outside of specific laws since the people hosting the content (and its backups) could be located all over the world.
How’s that different from now?
Or do you want users to not be banned instancewide for breaking instance rules? Or do you want to abolish instance/server rules aside from local laws altogether?
That’s pretty big recourse though.
