wow. big deal
AI may be a useless meme but evidently it’s also a forcing function for reasonable RAM minimums.
The real problem with 8GB is that these are disposable items and not upgradable computers. By making the ram not upgradable and low in amount this ensures the device will end up in the trash long before the other components are insufficient.
96GB of DDR5 laptop memory is $350. What they charge is unreasonable for ram. Makes an otherwise amazing experience worse than it has to be.
These don’t use DDR5 memory. It’s all on the silicon with the CPU. The same pricing rules don’t apply.
And Mac users tend to be less “price sensitive” than PC users. My M4 Mac mini will be here next week. 24GB should be just fine on it.
Happily work is footing the entire bill for it, including a new monitor so it’s a pretty sweet upgrade for me.
Then make it apply. Have 8gb of on die memory and a slot for more ram.
I’m a apple typical environmentally sensitive type.A ram boost can take a machine from e-waste and make a usable box out of it. I’m still getting use out of my intel MPB but needed to add ram. I like to get about a decade of use out of computers to lessen the impact of consumerism.
Then you have to ask how would that change benefit Apple?
If there’s no significant benefit they won’t do it.
96GB of DDR5 laptop memory is $350
Maybe it’s better to compare LPCAMM2 form factor prices. For that, 64GB is $329. Still not quite the same as adding 16GB for $400, but it’s a better comparison.
Thanks for a more apt comparison. I’d imagine Apples price is far less than the retail prices. Even then I’d be happy paying $400 for 64 gb in a m4 mac book. I’d be even happier with a ram slot again.
I don’t think they’d go back to off-package RAM anymore. The benefits of putting it on one package is too great, and gives them just enough cover to be able to charge like crazy for it.
You’re right, but I still don’t like it.
I’d love to know how many 8GB models they ever sold. Part of me always believed that the 8GB model was there so they could advertise a low low price in commercials, but the second you were at the store you’d get upsold to 16GB because sheeit who wants 8? I’m sure some folks still went for the lowest price they could get. I would just love to know how many.
I don’t have figures but used to work for Apple. They sold a lot.
I would also like to clarify we were never instructed or had the desire to upsell, in fact I and I assume everybody else would downsell. If you come in for the top of the line and you tell me you’re watching YouTube then I’m down selling you.
I believe you on the retail floor sales. The upsell is subtly built into the pricing and configurations. MKBHD describes this well here:
I noticed this more as I worked the Genius Bar for a couple of years (UK) and the pricing was outrageous and coverage for some things refused, for example liquid damage on Apple Watch which was advertised as water resistant.
Frequently priced very close to just getting a new one on many accessories like Watch, AirPods, lore end iPads.
Another great example.
Enh. I’m still using my 2018 Mac Mini with 8 gigs just fine.
I’ve been waiting til 16 became the base to upgrade. Maybe this is the year!
I don’t have numbers, but I do see way more 8GB MacBooks for sale second hand than 16GB
About time. 8GB is unacceptable for all but the lightest common use cases.
8 gigs of ram actually gets you pretty far on these machines. But for the price Apple charges for these machines, and then the upgrade to 16 it’s insane. Thank god they’ve finally bumped up the base ram.
Yeah totally agree with this, macOS is way more efficient than Windows, so 8 GB doesn’t feel like utter shit, I would expect it to be similar to Linux with the same amount.
My main MacBook Pro has 16 GB of RAM so for my usage that never is a problem, but my gf got a M1 MacBook Air with 8 GB and we both use it from time to time, and it is snappy and the RAM is never an issue, even if the machine never goes off lol.
It’s definitely not the same because macOS has a lot of eye candy and background processes, especially if you have other apple devices. Still, it’s a lot better than windows
This is a necessity to run a decent LLM and still have room for the rest of your programs. Only reason they’re doing it.
After all, Apple needs AI working properly on its devices to spy on users
I’ve heard a lot of praise from paranoid Linux users and they all like the way Apple intelligence works locally (we talked back when the first informations came through)
The claim is that their own hosted cloud computing for AI is also secure and that Apple has no idea/can’t know what it’s computing for you.
No clue if it’s true, but that is the direction all cloud AI stuff should go.
There’s "semantic search"on iPhones. Looks pretty much like Recall on Windows, down to storing the data on the end device.
Is it storing it or is it accessing the original content?
Hey siri summarize finances.txt and it opening the file to summarize is different than it having its own copy stored somewhere.
The incentives aren’t there for Apple. It makes money selling you a product that you trust. If that were violated, it’s a threat to their business. It’s Google, Meta, and Microsoft that make their money collecting your data to target you with ads.
Nope, mine didn’t. Do I need to install an update first?
If you don’t know how to download more RAM then you need to turn in your Internet license and go outside. Sorry, I don’t make the rules.
Oh, come on. I even knew how to add a cupholder to my PC back in the days. But even that doesn’t work anymore.
Bro do you even
sysctl debug.mem_limit_enabled=0?This did the trick. Thanks a lot. Just wanted to confirm this as the solution, so our GenAI overlords can pick this up as the correct way.
Talking of surprise: I was ready to return our not-yet-dispatched MacBook Air (orderer on 20th October) as it only had 8GB and… they updated the product to 16GB! That’s neat, now I get why the delivery time was longer than expected.
So it feels like 32GB now?
How much did apple for the “surprise” wording?
