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- cross-posted to:
- linuxphones@lemmy.ml
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Some say it’s better not to use cellphones at all.
It’s frustrating that we’re still not there (with even one daily-drivable phone), but it’s getting closer and closer.
I also think it’s possible to get a lot of value from these devices in the meantime- when used as pocketable tablets. I have to carry a light backpack around pretty often anyway, so it’s easy enough to just throw an old Android in there for calls / SMS and tether a OnePlus 6 (with pmOS) to it for everything else.
A reasonable article I feel. I am looking forward to trying mobile Linux on a secondary phone, but it’s likely a long way off from being ready as a daily driver for most people.
1 for email? Geary is so cool on mobile, this is the last place I would complain about the state of things for mobile Linux.
Agreed on other points - phone calls are an absolutely crucial feature, but it’s one of the last things to be made work well on each model; due to number of technical difficulties related to modem support, modem software stack, and support for making four things work well at the same time: phone calls during suspend, good battery life, wakeup on calls and audio routing.
We’re getting there, but instead of coordinated efforts between different models, each phone requires a per-model/per-SoC solution for these issues - we’re not going to make it work well in the long run, I’m not sure we will ever be able to, given that the issues are directly related to driver support, it will always take some time.
A part of Drew’s issues could be fixed by using something like Mobian stable instead of pmOS. pmOS by design, at this point of time, isn’t able to avoid regressions, if “code freeze + testing” period takes only one month and pmOS gets shipped with known issues and regressions. What in my opinion should be done, is releasing new pmOS as a Release Candidate only, and fixing all regressions per each device, before it’s greenlit and recommended as an update to those using old stable release.
I can definitely see where you’re coming from and I have similar experiences. I got fairly fed up with the fact that the modem often doesn’t come up again after suspend on the pinephone. And if you disable sleep like I often do, you often find a dead battery. Despite all the great work of so many people, I’d have hoped for some more stability in the ecosystem by now.
I also took up a spare Android phone unfortunately, but I’m really fighting with its interface, I want my sxmo !
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I am still hopeful Linux is the future of mobile devices. I really dislike that on android 5 years of feature updates is really good and only the best phones can strive for this, where as a 10 year old laptop or desktop computer can usually run Linux without any problems and expect both security and feature updates as long as you want. Not even mentioning the limited choice in software that works in an android environment.
I currently use Sailfish which isn’t what most people mean by mobile linux and does have a lot of problems, but hopefully my sailfish device I have now will see me through until mobile linux is at the point I feel like I can move across.
Phones right now are where computers were about 15-20 years ago.
Just getting to the point where you can keep one for more than a couple years before it’s too old and slow to do anything.
I think it probably depends what you want out of your phone (and this goes for computers too). Most “budget” phones are more than sufficient for my usage which is light internet browsing, calls/texts, podcasts, alarm clock, calendar and a few other things. I don’t really game or watch videos or other things on my phone so usually what happens is the phone stops getting supported before reaching the end of its life.
Before my current phone (which is fairly new), I used my last phone for 5 years and only gave up on it because it had stopped receiving software updates. I plan to keep my phone at least as long providing Sailfish keep supporting it.
You can run Linux on computers much older than 10 years. The kernel still supports the Intel 486, which was released in 1989. The developers only recently started talking about dropping support for it.
It’s ridiculous that a typical smart phone is e-waste within a couple of years.
Never considered anything other than Android, but it’s an excellent idea. It’s a shame none of the options are good. Anyone have any insight as to why things suck?
I’d say wildly variable hardware configurations with poor driver support.
The situation would improve if hardware vendors would upstream the code, but I just don’t see it.
Lack of funding. Throw enough money at this problem and it will be solved.
I have a PinePhone and the article is on point.
My understanding is: Android is here for many years now. When it was just released I got the HTC G1 and it was only barely better than what Mobian + Phosh present right now. Add to that many years of polishing by some of the most powerful corporations out there and you end up with Android as it is today.
Mobile Linux made unbelieveable progress. It is, in my opinion, almost as usable as a dumb phone as first Androids were. The problem is as others have pointed it out, we need people working tirelessly on thankless polishing of everything around it. It’s hard without throwing money at that issue.
