Papers please: for millions of Americans, accessing online pornography now requires a government ID. It could have global implications for the future of the web.
  • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
    89·
    4 months ago

    Morons, all of them. You’re not getting that genie back in the bottle.

    I grew up pre-internet and still found plenty of porn, as did the hypocrites making these laws.

    • azimir@lemmy.mlEnglish
      34·
      4 months ago

      There was some way to either steal a “dirty” magazine, buy one from an older teenager, or check out the one you found at your friend’s house that his dad had in a drawer somewhere.

      If all else failed, there was always the Sears catalog.

      Pitching your desire to block pornography against the collective sex drives of the whole populace is a recipe for you losing and look stupid doing it.

      • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
        64·
        4 months ago

        I mean there is a difference between the good old magazines and having access to super hardcore stuff for a 9yo… But generally I agree.

        • CM400@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          4 months ago

          Where is the line? I’m not advocating for anarchy and having no lines, I’m just generally curious where people who make distinctions in a gray area draw that line, be it censorship, what kinds of food to eat, social etiquette, etc.

          Also, “I don’t know” is perfectly acceptable.

          • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
            1·
            4 months ago

            I personally think there isn’t any exact line. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. And something which might be alright in one communicy might be unacceptable in another. Like political debate vs casual conversation vs technology discussion.

            I tolerate some mild trolling. I hate argumentative people, at least when they’re wrong, don’t listen but don’t stop spewing their nonsense. I don’t accept personal attacks and hatred in general. I don’t tolerate brigading, mass-downvoting and such things. And I think we already have enough misinformation available. Any lies and factually false things can be deleted IMO unless it contributes something at some level.

            I also despise people wasting other people’s time. Baiting with controversial topics and then never engaging in the discussion. Asking for advice and then not reading or upvoting any comments. Dumping content and links from other platforms to make Lemmy be “more active” while actually turning it into a dumpster.

            I think mods should be fair. I love meaningful discussions. People sharing personal stories. Learning things. Being nice to each other and doing literally anything constructive with our time here.

            I tend toward being liberal. So I try to be alright with as much as I can.

            I think most people have a working moral compass. Not everyone, but enough people so we don’t really need to discuss what’s nice and what is unacceptable behaviour.

  • umami_wasabi@lemmy.mlEnglish
    85·
    4 months ago

    Easiest solution: point the fucking DNS to a family safe one and lock it behind passcode. Done.

    This is how you “protect the children.” Not by making a burden on everyone else. I don’t need age verification on the internet, ever.

      • ADTJ@feddit.ukEnglish
        11·
        4 months ago

        The router settings, require a password to change whether it’s in family safe mode or not

        • Plopp@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          4 months ago

          What about the kids modifying the DNS settings or modifying the hosts file on their own machine?

          • FierySpectre@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            4 months ago

            Lock the settings app behind a passcode too, there’s ways to block things like settings… Not sure if that works for individual screens in there though

    • Esp@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      42·
      4 months ago

      I mean tbf, I think if your kid is smart enough to work out they need to log into the router to change the DNS settings then they can probably figure out how to set it on their end device too. Unless you’re also blocking VPNs and non-dhcp directed DNS requests too.

      I think the obvious solution is to force router makers to have a more user-friendly way to enable child-friendly features (we did that with TVs, why not the internet?) rather than forcing websites to either shutdown or do sketchy shit like take IDs. I work as a tech for an ISP, I assure you most people can’t figure out (or are barely able to even with instructions) how to change the default wifi, there’s no chance in hell you’re gonna explain to them how to point traffic to a custom dns.

      • umami_wasabi@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        The main avenue of kids accessing the internet is via their smartphone. I’m not too knowledged into the functionality and capabilities of the built in parental by Google and Apple. Can anybody chime in and explain?

        It will be nice to have somekind of MDM solutions, ideally free with a nice guided setup, for parents managing kid’s phone.

        • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          Apple provides a lot of choices through “Family Sharing” where parents manage settings through iCloud. You can restrict apps, times, duration, content by ratings, websites, purchases, calling, etc

          When my kids were little and got their first phones, Family Sharing didn’t really exist yet, but there were apps that might be more similar to what you’re thinking. However my restrictions actions were pretty minimal - mainly to limit screen time overall and after lights out

          • my kids were especially annoyed about blocking mature content on YouTube - most videos are unrated so the all get blocked. It’s just not worth trying
          • when I tried blocking explicit web sites, they just used other devices. While I expected them to find a way around the restrictions pretty easily, it was ridiculous how many different types of devices Id need to do that on, and each did it a different way with different capabilities. It’s just not worth it. Pay attention to your kids and trust them instead
  • massive_bereavement@fedia.io
    44·
    4 months ago

    And at some point, they will blur the lines of what porn means, and bit by bit everything that meant something to you will be banned until nothing is left but what they like.

  • SomeGuy69@lemmy.worldEnglish
    40·
    4 months ago

    After war on drugs failed you got to spend all that anger on something and find a new enemy.

      • ahornsirup@feddit.orgEnglish
        10·
        4 months ago

        Looking at it from the outside it doesn’t look like a failure at all, it provides the prison industrial complex with an endless stream of slaves cheap prison labour. If we assume that that’s the actual goal, it’s a resounding success.

  • Vaeril@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    25·
    4 months ago

    If there is a will, there is a way 😉 Device verification seems better than ID. I don’t like any verification, but if a privacy preserving method is introduced I’ll concede.