• abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    This bullshit comes up every five years or so and has done since the naughties. It goes like this.

    1. Government states they need a backdoor to encryption to stop terrorism/pedophilia.
    2. Privacy and tech groups say it’s a bad idea, children’s charities and anti-terrorist groups say it’s a good idea.
    3. Someone in the Civil Service informs a top politician that if there is a backdoor, hackers will find a way in and that could mean leaks of things the government doesn’t want the public to see like their affair with their intern or how they are doing to abolish devolution.
    4. They use an event to cover it up again.
    5. Next government, return to step one.

    This has happened under Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Boris, Truss wasn’t around long enough (lol), and now Sunak.

    It’s funny because Boris Johnson is currently using an encrypted phone to stop giving evidence to the Covid Enquiry (namely his WhatsApp messages, yes, the UK government uses fuckin’ WhatsApp.

    We keep telling them it won’t work, that it will only put the data of law abiding citizens at risk, but they don’t listen and they keep playing the same game over and over.

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      Yes, and I only use it for some Linux support groups, don’t know why they are not on matrix.

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        Because matrix is absolutely not there yet like lemmy and mastodon are.

        I‘m an admin and a coder for roughly 20 yrs, yet it took me hours to understand matrix and elements. There is just not enough knowledge out there atm and the apps dont do a well enough job themselves imho.

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          Used matrix too. But for the next try I wait for dendrite is out of beta state. The bridges fucked me up. One reason I use beeper, lets doing the pros the fucked up bridges.

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            Makes sense. We‘ll see if matrix clients can catch up to the other two. Usability is what we need. Matrix has been around for a long time but so far I only see enthusiasts and privacy obsessed peeps talk about it. That needs to change.

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              If EU and others starts their hunt for breaking decryption, matrix could get more interesting. They wrote a blog article about being unable to break decryption of selfhosted instances.

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                Yes, I agree. I recently read an article somewhere here about the web 2.0 being on the way out and the need of taking it back from the megacorps through decentralization. If you search for it I recon you‘ll find it.

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    Love this, funny how we have a lot of similar apps, but Discord stays on the bottom row, it’s hard to get rid of.

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      Man I wish I could uninstall it. It’s just plain spyware, at least from my point of view, but everyone uses it. I wanna be part of society too you know.

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          I found it to be pretty difficult to get people to move to Revolt, more comparable with moving them away from regular social media than other messengers.

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            Getting people to use Signal was easier than even trying to talk about why Discord isn’t great. But then again, Discord nuked my account out of the blue, so that was my excuse to just stop using it.

            I was told my little server pretty much died without me anyway, so what was even the point.

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      I think the implication is that they don’t use anything from any of those companies. I see icons for Bitwarden, Nextcloud, and Lemmy. So they’re probably a big selfhoster.

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      From memory the UK gov is trying to (or has?) pass anti-encription laws targeting the big tech giants GAFAM (google, apple, Facebook, Amazon and Microsoft). I am in Australia so not up to date with this.

      Its hard to tell from the icon pack they are using but I think this might be a screenshot from a degoogle phone? For example I don’t see any Facebook or Microsoft specific apps. But I do see a nextcloud app which is an open source self hostable replacement suite for Google’s cloud apps.

      Basically the law change won’t affect them as they are not using any GAFAM apps/software.

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        I think its targeting all encryption, but these are self hosted end to end encrypted typically, all upon grapheneOS, so would be all but impossible to crack

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      It’s pretty hard to make open source developers all over the world comply with unreasonable demands of nation-states. Ditto locking down the national Internet to block people from accessing them. Even in North Korea it’s hard, not impossible.

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      Lol no. Just a privacy hardener. Idk it started with replacing all google stuff with nextcloud. And more and more I became free.

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        I might bite the bullet, and buy a Pixel tablet, to flash it with GrapheneOS. Lineage OS tablet support is pretty spotty lately. I use a Samsung SM-T720 that is doing well, but will die eventually.

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          Yes it’s kind of annoying to buy a google phone to replace google. Lineage is good but they use some google stuff.

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            GrapheneOS are sticking to Google hardware for security features and upstream support. I’d rather wish for a maximum privacy platform that doesn’t leak anything to Google. I’m currently not aware of anything like that.

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        Sheesh! I mean, I did get a token around 100k when I signed up, but they definitely need a better way of screening if it takes an average user more than a year to get through the screening :/

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          For real, I fully forgot my subscription. And I know someone who subscribed some days ago and he is on waiting place >100.000. It’s suspicious exactly after 500 days.

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      How long is the wait now? I’ve had it for a bit and I know they’ve been ramping up their onboarding.

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        I’ve been waiting for almost a month now, and I’ve seen a few people complaining how they’re in waiting list since multiple months (recent ones, i.e. after they announced lesser waiting time)

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          I’m not sure I really get the pull. It seems to just be a matrix server with bridges and custom clients

          They do have their work open sorced which is nice, but this all kinda just looks like what matrix is on its own. I guess the only advantage I see is maybe making things a little easier for more casual folks, but it does cost to…

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            It used to cost. It is now free so that helps the value proposition. There will be a Beeper Pro/Plus or some subsctiption service that will allow you to have multiple accounts/bridges on the same network, but that’s not actually released yet.

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            Yeah if they had a way of trivially adding the bridges to any other matrix client (on android, that is), that’d make things super convenient.

            Making the work easier for casual folks is all I’m in for in the case of Beeper. I mean, I could manually set everything up, but I’d rather support methods that make it easier for everyone else to access the fediverse more easily.

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    So they just come home with a warrant and take your unencrypted hard drive that’s self hosting all that apps

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      When you visit the UK? That’s how I interpret the OP.

      They could possibly keep the device to study it and create tools by the time the next guy with the same software comes along. Or simply confiscate and pressure you to give access. A lot of people simply crack.