Sarah Katz, 21, had a heart condition and died hours after she drank Panera’s Charged Lemonade, a large cup of which contains more caffeine than Red Bull and Monster energy drinks combined.

All Panera Bread restaurants are now displaying “enhanced” disclosures about the restaurant chain’s highly caffeinated lemonade, a spokesperson said Saturday, following a lawsuit that was filed by the family of a young woman who died after drinking the beverage.

Monday’s lawsuit, which was first obtained by NBC News, alleges that Sarah Katz, an Ivy League student with a heart condition, died after she drank Panera’s Charged Lemonade last year.

A large Charged Lemonade contains 390 milligrams — nearly the 400-milligram daily maximum of caffeine that the Food and Drug Administration says healthy adults can safely consume.

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      This is from their website

      The NEW Panera Charged Lemonades are the ultimate energy drink guaranteed to charge up your day. Powered by Clean caffeine from guarana and green coffee extract, these caffeinated lemonades feature refreshing mango, cranberry, or strawberry mint flavors. These drinks are cold, caffeinated, and so ready for summer. Plant-based and Clean with as much caffeine as our Dark Roast coffee.

      So sounds like they are advertising it as a coffee or energy drink alternative

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        That’s fine and all but why so much? This stuff has 390mg caffeine, Red Bulls have 80mg. Such a weird thing for Panera of all places to do.

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          Looks like it has the same amount of caffeine as coffee. Guessing the large is 32 oz. That’s about on par with drinking 32oz of black coffee

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            It’s about as much caffeine as a “typical coffee”, but it’s really about 2/3 as much caffeine as any real-world coffee. Dunkies, Starbucks, and Panera’s own light roast is 50% stronger per oz than this drink.

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          Coffee drinkers drink several times more caffeine on average than energy drink drinkers. A large coffee from Panera has over 400mg caffeine.

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          Because they won’t say “no” if somebody wants to buy a FucktonLarge size. Their regular is only 250mg.

          Note, the number is conspicuously perfect that you could have one large every morning and still be within FDA recommendations. (400mg)

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            That was before. The enhanced signs are paper printed taped messages saying it’s not recommended for pregnant women, people sensitive to caffeine, and children.

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            Yup, and the next 2 bubbler things to the left are regular (though I’m sure insanely sugary) lemonade and iced tea. So if you didn’t read carefully you wouldn’t know you were dosing on significant amounts of caffeine with your lunch or dinner.

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              It says “Charged” and specifically points out caffeine in 2 seperate spots on each sign. Imo if you don’t see that, it’s on you

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                We see so many ads every day that I tune out a lot of bullshit around marketing, I could easily see how a person grabbing a drink would only see the big ‘mango yuzu citrus’ and not think that was caffeinated. At first glance the label just looks like the calorie information, though it is true it should be the person’s responsibility to notice, but I could see a reasonable person making this mistake easily.

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                  I’m not sure what we need more than 9 distinct caffeine notifications in a 2x2 area, in a section where 99% of the drinks are caffeinated and have never been marked such, to suspect that maybe this is caffeinated, too.

                  There’s a fine line between “it’s Panera’s fault” and “It’s the girl’s fault” that reads “holy shit, what a tragedy!”

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            Fuck, I’d stay away just for those awful-sounding flavors. Can’t lemonade just be lemon flavored?

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                “What’s the deal with caffeine drinks these days!?”

                Seinfeld stand up theme plays

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                  I don’t like all these flavored coffees. Maple nut butter caramel fudge whatever. Can I just get a regular coffee?

                  Yes sir, right away. Here’s your tall black coffee

                  I mean, what’s the world coming to? I go into a coffee shop and I can’t even get a normal coffee for a normal guy

                  Absolutely, sir. Anyway, that’ll be $3.95 and if you want cream or sugar in your black, drip-brewed coffee there’s a stand over there

                  I’m just a regular guy who wants a regular coffee, but in this crazy, mixed-up world…

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    wait wait a lady fucking died and they’re getting away with simply enhanced signs??

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        Model (USA) Rule of Evidence 407: Subsequent remedial measures are not admissible as evidence to prove negligence, culpable conduct, a defect in a product or its design, or a need for a warning or instruction.

        But the court may admit this evidence for another purpose, such as impeachment or — if disputed — proving ownership, control, or the feasibility of precautionary measures

        EDIT: I’m not looking up the contextualing comments that accompany the rule, but I will share what I remember from law school many years ago: this rule exists for public safety. You don’t want to penalize fixing a dangerous situation, regardless of the facts of any specific case.

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        Maybe they’d like for people to not be harmed by their lemonade for the sake of not hurting people, more than money. That’s a lot to believe about a corporation though.

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      Whatever it is called with that kind of caffeine content you warning label it with listing of exactly how much caffeine it has. Well maybe unless it is named literally “coffee” and is plain brewed coffee and at that brewed coffee with the normal levels of caffeine coffee contains.

      Ones frappe, whippazino also better have needed labels in cases, since given all they mix how the heck one is to know what exactly is the contents. Oh this is extra special “angry frappe” with double squared shot expresso, so exactly how much caffeine is that dear seller per one glass? I just thought you put chili in it or something to make it “angry”, but has literally multiple times more caffeine content.

      This is why all the energy drinks atleast where I live have the ever present “contains high amount of caffeine x mg/100ml”.

      You sell something like that as counter served item with no packaging label to read, well now your menu list must contains at minimum highlights. Something like “our special drunk (HC)” and then somewhere on the menu there reads “HC means high in caffeine”. Then obviously at the counter must be a full labeling booklet of “here is our every product from the plainest brewed coffee to our jumbo mega sandwich and special brew beverage with full nutritional information and ingredients”

      Just like one can’t sell say a pastry in cafe with nut creme filling with out having a big marker on all the menus “contains nuts, nut allergies bevare”. Since similarly nut allergic consuming nuts can be life threatening, well for some people consuming caffeine isn’t healthy and must be disclosed.

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          Problem is I don’t think the average person knows caffeine dosage. It should really say “As much caffeine as four coffees” or “a fuckload of caffeine” not “400mg caffeine”.

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            When you have health concerns like the girl did, these are things you really should be aware of on your own. Like I can’t have grapefruit juice because of the meds I take, but I don’t demand large signage on everything that might have some in it.

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            What it should say is “Contains 98% of the FDA’s daily recommended maximum caffeine dosage, do not drink other caffeinated beverages in the same day”

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              Sure, if you want to put that label on most coffees as well since the lemonade has the same caffeine per ml. Then you get to the point of having everything labeled so everyone will naturally ignore it.

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                Correction, 2/3 the caffeine per ml of most coffees.

                It’s downright reasonable for a regular-driver beverage if you don’t have a heart problem.

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            “As much caffeine as four coffees”

            They’d be sued in a heartbeat. It has less caffeine than a large iced coffee at the most popular chain in the US. It has as much caffeine as a medium ice coffee. Served in a cup the size of a large iced coffee. I’m sure they were very careful about being accused of the opposite of what happened.

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            It’s the same amount of caffeine as coffee has. It literally says it on the sign.

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              A regular cup of Cafe Blend Dark Roast Coffee at Panera, has 268 mg for a 20-oz cup.

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                Ok so it actually has less caffeine then because the lemonade has 260mg/20 fl oz. Are you looking at the calorie count by mistake? Either way, a 8mg difference isn’t that significant because different coffees will have variations in caffeine content along the same lines.

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                  No he’s repeating the argument the family’s lawyer made. That a butt-fucking-massive megapint (sorry Depp) of this has more caffeine than a little cup of the lowest-caffeine-content hot coffee.

                  People are forgetting that she got a large, and if she knew it was caffeinated, they have no case and nobody should be bitching this “not nearly as strong as light-roast-coffee” beverage is on the mean streets with hard drugs like pop rocks and pez.

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      1. It’s not coffee.

      2. “Energy” drinks don’t give you much energy.

      I don’t think you should be picking the names for things.

      Let me try: “Caffeinated lemonade”

      Wow.

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    This is a product made by Panera Bread? Lol I would not expect the store brand lemonade to be jacked on caffeine.

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      That was my exact same thought. Like, I had no idea they had a caffeinated lemonade, let alone a lemonade that was a beverage version of an energy pill they sell behind the counter at the gas station.

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      They call it charged lemonade and they advertised it as being all natural and healthy too. Despite having more caffeine than their coffee or monster/red bull

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        It’s the same as their coffee. Same as the dark roast, anyway, and less caffeine per ounce than the light roast.

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    I feel like every beverage containing caffeine should have its total content labeled.

    Not because I’m sensitive or anything, I just need the biggest dose I can find in the morning.

    Then again, I’ve been addicted to caffeine since child hood. I quit once, it was thought to be disturbing my sleep; NOPE! Just bipolar mania fucking it up.

    If anyone is concerned, I’m on meds and doing well - I still might stab someone in the morning over getting in the way of caffeine though.

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        I had no opinion until I read this thread.

        I’m a person that suffers from addiction to food, for lack of better phrasing. As in, I am currently going to therapy and a nutricionist and have won this battle a few times before.

        I usually think sugar laws are BS, but taxes are a way of making things more “balanced without bans”.

        850 ml of somethig should not have 14% of its weight come from sugar. That’s insane. No serving of something should contain 124 grams of sugar, except … sugar. You’re basically eating a quarter pounder made of sugar when you’re drinking this. Like, eating an eighth of a 1kg bag of sugar is basically the same thing as drinking this. Holy fuck.

        I like coffee, caffeinated drinks, etc etc. I like science and technology and bizarre nutrition (protein powders, BCAAs, etc). I didn’t know what the “safe adult limit” of caffeine was, except that you’d have to drink several cups of coffee extremely quickly. There have been days , especially at uni where I’d drink 3 large energy drinks, and feel my heart react to it and think “yeah, that’s enough”.

        The “warning” on the drink is completely contextless and ignoreable. “Oh ok, it’s got caffeine in it, 389mg, wild”. No wonder the woman just grabbed it and went on with her day and died.

        Also, it’s a complete waste of advertising potential. If a drink advertises “ALMOST LETHAL AMOUNTS OF CAFFEINE!” you might want to drink it more for that reason, “Charged lemonade” makes it sounds like it’s got a hint of lime in it as well as lemons.

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      I really don’t get this lawsuit it is clearly labeled on the app, and the dispensers.

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          I think this would make far more sense. Plus, I know that for me, the last thing I would think about lemonade is that it has caffeine content. Alchohol, maybe. Sugar? Sure. But caffeine? Nope. Having never heard of their Charged Lemonade before this, I think I’d probably be likely to make that mistake at least once.

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            There’s a fairly massive sign right in front of it with caffeine content and advertising targeted at caffeine fans.

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          It’s less caffeine than a large ice coffee at most establishments, straight-out. 400mg caffeine is downright reasonable. And the articles have been claiming her family’s side is that she thought it wasn’t caffeinated at all.

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            Well I don’t know if I would say 400mg is reasonable, its the fda daily recommended limit. That’s around 4 8 oz cups of coffee, which is quite a bit of caffeine, certainly safe for most people of course.

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              Well I don’t know if I would say 400mg is reasonable

              It is absolutely 100% reasonable.

              its the fda daily recommended limit.

              It’s more of a loose recommendation than some FDA limits. They’re saying that it is 100% safe for most Americans to have 400mg every day of their lives. The comparative figure to 400mg of caffeine is 0mg of alcohol. 400mg of caffeine is health positive for almost all people, unlike pretty much every other ingredient in beverages at that counter.

              That’s around 4 8 oz cups of coffee

              For better or worse, nobody drinks 8oz coffees in the US. A small at a major coffee chain is 10oz. It’s a little less 1 Large Iced Coffee from Dunkin, possibly the single most popular drive-through beverage in the country.

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          It says “as much caffeine as our dark roast” on the dispenser. It’s a pretty solid reference imo. If you have the same quantity of lemonade or coffee, then you have the same caffeine intake.

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            Saying as much caffeine as our dark roast would imply that the lemonade has the same amount as a cup, but it’s like 3 to 4 cups of coffee equivalent.

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              It has the same amount of caffeine if you get the 20fluid oz cup. A 20oz coffee at panera is 268mg while 20oz of lemonade is 260. I don’t think you have a point here.

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                Yes I’ve looked it up, the serving size is this biggest culprit here. The large charged lemonade has around 400 MG of caffeine, for around 30 oz. 8 oz of coffee has around 80 to 100 MG of caffeine. Scale it up and it works out to about 4 cups of coffee.

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                  I mean dunkin serves 396mg of caffeine in their large iced coffees. Just eyeballing it, their large iced beverages seem to be 30oz as well. I don’t think that the serving sizes are much of an issue when compared to other beverages with similar caffeine content at other restaurants and cafes.

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      To be fair, Panera has always labeled the caffeine content of its drinks. Problem is that people don’t read the god damn label on the machine, forcing Panera to make it bigger and more obvious.

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        The staff nationwide were instructed to tell customers that it has “About as much caffeine as our dark roast” when asked about the caffeine content though.

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          That is correct. If you compare the caffeine content per ml to most coffees, you’ll find that it’s essentially the same. Star bucks coffee, for example, has 410mg for their large cup which is actually more per ml than the lemonades have.

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            It’s actually about 2/3 the caffeine of any of the most popular coffee blends in the US. It’s also only ~2/3 of the caffeine of Panera’s own Light Roast. That’s why they explicitly compare its caffeination to their dark roast.

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          Because people are idiots. If they put the mg most people will have no fucking clue what it means and assume it’s a safe amount.

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        Ironically, this new warning is a lot smaller than the label, and less visible. It’s just CYA protections from a company it seems that for the first time in a long time, didn’t actually fuck up.

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      Sounds like you were given too much stimulation as a child and now anything less makes you uncomfortable.

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    My kids went and filled their cups with this stuff before I noticed what it was and then had to be the bad guy, telling them to get the Minute Maid shite. Definitely lowered my opinion of Panera.

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        Separate dispensers like they said, but if you’re paying the meal and you tell the kids to go get their drinks and they want lemonade you have to watch out they don’t get the heart attack shit. Once you know you know, but I couldn’t believe that’s a thing that exists.

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        No. Seperate dispensers completely.

        And clearly marked as Charged Lemonade with the calorie and caffeine content for both the 20oz and 30oz cups on the dispenser since they were introduced.

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          Okay, but most people do not have reference points on how much caffeine is normal and how much is okay.

          And I also did not know that charged means it has caffeine, but that might be, because english is not my mother tongue.

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            And I also did not know that charged means it has caffeine, but that might be, because english is not my mother tongue.

            Not due to your language skills at all; that’s just their choice of branding words. It may as well say “yummy”, “extreme”, or “wowie zowie”.

            Source: I speak fluent American

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              Nah. Charged makes more sense just like ‘hard’ lemonade contains alcohol.

              Funny watching you people get up in arms about the wording here.

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    I’m shocked it took this long. The caffeine content in that shit is MIND BLOWING. When you buy a energy drink you know what you are signing up for. But a lemonade with 260 to 390mg of caffeine??? That’s pushing the limit of a healthy safe daily dose for an average adult

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    What is going to come from this is Panera settles, and then sticks the charged lemonade behind the counter and enhances warning labels.

    What may indirectly come from this is Solid Numbers on Caffeine overdose. and what is a safe amount and what is playing with fire.

    It’s a modern day created problem. energy drinks flood the market, other companies compete and boom, someone died. I’ve seen reports that she had some medical issues and caffeine was like her version of a bee sting or peanut allergy , but I’ve yet to corroborate that narrative.

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      Funny. We’ve actually been doing the same thing with salt and sugar for decades.

      But overconsuming those doesn’t usually result in an immediate death. Just diabetes and stroke.

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      Yes, prior reporting covered that she had a heart condition and she was extremely aware that too much caffeine would kill her. The lemonade was clearly labeled with its caffeine content. It didn’t say it was extreme, but it was clearly labeled with how much is in it. The story that “she didn’t know” doesn’t add up unless she was just being wildly negligent.

      Article with image of the labeling: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/10/24/paneras-caffeinated-charged-lemonade-blamed-for-college-students-death-in-lawsuit/amp/

      As someone with a food allergy, I check everything I eat for my allergens. If I’m not sure what’s in it, I don’t eat it. And all that will happen to me is I’ll feel ill for a while. Anyone with a lethal condition damn well knows better.

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        I’m sure a lot of people don’t know off the top of there head what is and is not a lot of caffeine.

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          I’m sure a lot of people don’t know off the top of there head what is and is not a lot of caffeine.

          “As much caffeine as our coffee” She was sucking down 30oz cups of it (still under the FDA safe limit) on multiple days, and her family’s claim is that she thought it wasn’t caffeinated at all.

          The one possible claim is that in SOME stores the signage was missing for various reasons. That doesn’t seem to be the case with her store.

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          their*

          You failing basic grammar should tell you that your opinion on this (and other things) is worth nothing.

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    I figured it had more caffeine than tea but less than coffee. Clearly very wrong. Glad I didn’t drink this stuff while I was pregnant.

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      They’ll just make their bread even more stale and give you even smaller sandwiches for the exorbitant price.

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    Now the sales for that drink is going to go up, due to human curiosity.

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        There’s caffeinated lemonade and then there’s ‘10 mg away from the maximum daily recommendation of caffeine’ lemonade.

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          You can order a smaller size if you’re worried. The lemonade isn’t particularly highly caffeinated, it’s the cup size that is excessive. The lemonade is 13mg/oz, an average coffee is 12mg/oz which means a lot of coffees are higher, such as Starbucks coffee at 20mg/oz. Espresso is 50 and “energy shots” ten times that.

          I definitely think labeling should be more explicit on presence of caffeine across the board (not just tiny text on a container). A limitation of size to 16oz (half the current size, same as a grande at SB) would also avoid the “supersize” effect here. But the lemonade itself isn’t really the issue imo.

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          Supposedly you would need to knock back anywhere from 10-25 of those back to back (4-10g dose) for it to kill you… But people have died intaking significantly less caffeine.

          Considering the average person won’t know which end of that spectra they’re on until they get there, it’s not a risk I’d want to take.

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            Apparently the woman who died had a caffeine sensitivity. She shouldn’t have been having any caffeine.

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              I suppose the question would be then was she ever aware it had caffeine in it at all?
              I’ve never been to a Panera, so I don’t know how they advertised that lemonade.

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                  Having the drink available in the soda fountain next to normal drinks is overall a bad idea both for kids and unknowingly customers (also ~400 calories for a lemonade is madness). The adjective “charged” doesn’t make me think “with caffeine”, it should be called caffeinated/energy lemonade in big font like redbull does, not with some abstract marketing adjective.

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              Yes - which is why I specifically said “for it to kill you

              You would experience a range of other symptoms, some quite severe, way before reaching your lethal dose - but those wouldn’t kill you, at least not outright.

              Problem is there is quite the high deviation in calculating what that lethal dose is for the average person, and given that people have died intaking significantly less (as I said), testing how many of those you could knock back is not something I’d do personally or recommend anyone else try.

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        Problem is that stuff seems to be more lemonated caffeine than caffeinated lemonade.

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      Most 8 ounce cups of coffee contain 80 to 100 milligrams of caffeine. A large coffee from Tim Hortons is 20 ounces which has roughly 250mg of caffeine. And I used to drink 2, sometimes 3 or 4, of those a day.

      I’ll likely be dead by next Tuesday. I sure could go for a coffee right now though.

      Edit: For those that want to plan accordingly, a 20 ounce blonde roast from Starbucks has 475mg of caffeine. The dark roast had about 340mg.

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        Well, the body changes over time. I used to drink a ton of coffee back in my 20-30s. Something happened in my 40s. I became very sensitive to caffeine and I couldn’t handle anything more than a cup. Now I can’t drink it on the regular as it will keep me awake at night. I miss it very much, so every now and then I’ll have a cup, but only if I know I have the next day off.

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          I only stop sleeping when I sustain 3-4 large Timmy’s a day for many weeks. On an average Sunday morning when I don’t have anything to do, I can drink 2 cups of homebrew and fall asleep on the couch watching TV.

          Consequently, among other observations, I’ve also considered getting tested for ADHD.

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      Same boat. I easily drink a pot a day. Been thinking I should try and cut back, but maybe this is the push I need.

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    Who’d have thought a place that can’t even make a bagel with cream cheese properly would be the one to turbo-charge the lemonade.

    Seriously, once I decided to get one and they gave me an uncut bagel and little shitty single-serve cream cheese. Even I asked wtf and said I wanted it done they looked at me as if I were from friggin outer space.

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      Pretty sure it’s normal to put your own cream cheese on… But it would have been nice if they’d at least cut the bagel, I guess.

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        That’s ridiculous, if you get breakfast sandwiches do they just give you an egg, mayo, and bread? Aren’t they in the service industry?

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          If you want something done a certain way and are not sure if they provide that kind of thing, you’re supposed to ask. Some people have their bagels sliced instead of cut, some not at all. Like, just ask.

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    I’d like to point out the irony that these enhanced warnings are a tiny sign that will easily be missed if you ignore the MASSIVE signage and marketing that remind the consumer that the beverages are caffeinated.

    The silly part is that “see, it’s a WAaaaarrrrning” might hold more protective weight in court than “HEY LOOK WE GOT A FUCKTON OF CAFFEINE” billboards.