Option 3 is the only one that will change anything. Just saying.
I won’t make any comments for or against it, I’ll just remind people that the wealthiest 10% of people
in the USworldwide are responsible for 40% of global warming emissions, and that BP invented the concept of a “carbon footprint” to shift the blame for global warming off of the companies that produce it, and on to the consumers forced into an economy that doesn’t offer good alternatives. Don’t bother turning the lights off when you leave the room. Don’t bother using shitty paper straws. Don’t bother turning the water off while you wash your hands. All of that is immediately undone when a company leaves the lights on 24/7 at every location in an attempt to reduce theft, and wraps everything in tons of plastic for shipping across seas, and that rich guy down the street who waters his lawn at 3:00 AM every single day regardless of whether it’s currently raining or you’re in the middle of a drought.Every single thing that every single person in East Palestine Ohio ever did to reduce their impact on the climate was undone and then some by Norfolk Southern back in February, because maintaining the trains that carried fucking WWI era chemical weapons would cost a little bit of money.
But like
Don’t get radicalized or anything lol
No, 40% of climate change is caused by the wealthiest 10% globally. That’s 800,000,000 people, including according to this 100 million US-Americans. Even the bottom 50% of US Americans cause as much emission (per capita) as the top 10% in Turkey or Argentina.
I don’t understand why so many people are vehemently against taking up any form of personal responsibility. The idea that everyone can just shit on the environment because corporation’s aren’t doing enough is juvenile bs. It’s a comfort zone that enables these corporations in the first place.
Because it’s like pissing into the ocean and saying we’ve increased the water level. I mean technically yeah, but not really.
The overwhelming issue is tankers, concrete, industrial plastics, methane from cattle and “natural” gas. Individual contribution from people barely shows up at all compared to these.
The decisions of people absolutely influence what companies are doing. While the plastic straw each individual drops onto the floor or the burger they eat may not be the major driver of climate change, it is the way people chose to live (in the western world) that is responsible for climate change.
Releasing people from that responsibility will lead to them just slumb back into their comfort zone and doing nothing.
No amount of individual responsibility will overcome corporate intentions without regulation or real competition. Neither of which seem to be on deck.
People, on a large scale, will never do that. That’s not in human nature, and thinking everyone will willingly stop driving and buying meat is just the least productive kind of dreaming.
Those in charge will never change either, unless forced.
Those companies aren’t polluting for fun, are they? If nobody buys their products, no pollution is done.
Of course, a valid counterargument is that buying alternatives is too expensive (or non-existent, which most likely also has to do with price). And then the valid recourse is politics, subsidising alternatives, or in my opinion the better choice: making polluting products more expensive (by means of carbon tax or cap and trade).
I avoid buying concrete whenever I can…
As for stuff shipped overseas I buy US stuff as much as possible. I’d love to buy a US built and sourced computer and phone but I just don’t think that’s possible.
We avoid beef almost 100%, it’s hard to get goat but it’s my favorite when it’s available. My wife and I aren’t vegetarians but we’re pretty close.
I’m not discounting what an individual can do but no amount of individual choice will change the system enough without pressure from the top. Either regulation or real competition, neither of which are on deck it seems.
Workers who ignore personal responsibility towards the environment currently, won’t suddenly all start caring as soon as a successful workers revolution takes place. And the workers are unlikely to vote to cutback devastating industrial practices if their lifestyle is now even more closely tied to the success of their industry. Furthermore, the workers who are used to being nihilistic consumers, can now live more lavish and destructive lifestyles, promoting further industry.
I’m a commie, and I’m not anti industry either, but it is incredibly important that we cultivate a sense of responsibility to the planet, not just our comrades. We can’t simply rely on the dream of luxury space communism to save us, if we do we are no better than the technocrats who have a policy of break now and fix later.
Go zero waste for your local environment
Overthrow the oligarchs for the global environment.
Go vegan for the animals - and to stop supporting meat conglomerates owned by billionaires.
If you really need meat … then eat the rich.
Joesley Batista is a good start
Meatless Monday is the most pathetic excuse of trying to change anything in your life. I’m not even a full vegetarian myself but I wouldn’t dream of patting myself on the back for not eating one specific type of food for a single day a week.
Everything is better than doing nothing. And you do nothing
I stopped eating beef, I don’t eat meat most days, I don’t drive or own a car and I try to keep all consumption to a minimum. I’m definitely far from perfect but I don’t pat myself on the back for turning off the tap while I brush my teeth, because that’s normal. Eating meat everyday is not normal. So as far as I’m concerned nobody gets a medal for being normal.
Sorry for being so salty btw I was just in a bad mood when I wrote the original comment, oops.
It’s because it isn’t really something that is supposed to be very impactful on an individual basis.
The trend to push for people trying to eat less meat instead of no meat is because the majority of the population is unwilling currently to give up meat entirely, and are deciding on no changes to their diet when petitioned to try being vegetarian or vegan. But, if you can get most people to eat just less meat, there is a collective impact to the meat industry, and as a bonus, someone who has already agreed to reduce the meat in their diet is easier to convince to cut more meat than someone who has never agreed to change their diet at all.
Aren’t you out here patting yourself on the back for not doing that?
I think they imply that they eat no meat for more than one day in a week.
And that’s great but every bit helps
I half-agree, as it’s not only about not eating meat that day. It also makes people realize that there’s actually good dishes you can do that taste good without a big, fat piece of meat. That might be obvious to you, but many people still don’t accept that fact. Having a meatless day offers an opportunity to showcase vegetarian lifestyle to non-vegetarians. And once people realize that “hey, that’s not as bad as I’ve thought!”, they’re gonna make vegetable stir-fry next Saturday too.
that’s a good point actually!
Thanks! :>
It’s the social mindset shift that’s important. Start doing things to change, no matter how small, and everything builds from there. Just do something.
I am patting myself on the back right now as a reward for readinf your comment, and you can’t stop me.
lmao touché
I’m a god damn meat eater. Do I get a pat on the back for not eating meat 6/7 weekdays? No. I get vegans screeching at me.
Tbf veganism is an ethical position, not an environmental one. It’s like not giving someone a pat on the back for “No Racism Thursdays” or “Didn’t Kick a puppy” Wednesdays, because they’re still doing the bad thing every other day of the week.
Rather do meat Mondays, or just switch to chicken.
Don’t worry, the plutocrats will not slow down the worsening of conditions (and enshittification of services and products) to continue enraging the proletariat. I suspect they take for granted we wouldn’t dare stand against law enforcement (or wage a mischief and sabotage campaign to disrupt them.)
Vive la résistance!
Viva la revolución!
If you wanted to say the same thing in spanish and french, then it would be “Vive la révolution”, as Vive la résistance refers to the group fighting the nazi occupation of France
I was referencing La Résistance, which started by disorganized mischief makers in Paris cutting phone lines, slashing tires and tearing down propaganda and in a matter of months developed into a formidable fighting force.
The recent Behind the Bastards two-parter podcast on Reinhard Heydrich outlined the rise of the Sicherheitsdienst including the development of concentration camps (detention centers) and what ultimately lead to the genocide machine of the German Reich, and there are a conspicuous number of similarities between the policies and behaviors of the SD and of law enforcement in the US in the 2020s. Of note is how the SD ignored the exceptions that would make certain undesirables exempt from arrest and detention, so they were detained and processed anyway which compares to ICE in the US persecuting undocumented persons when their actions were supposed to be confined to those that had committed felonies. (Deportees also included nonwhite Americans that looked sufficiently foreign.)
That said, I think we’re moving towards a mischief and sabotage campaign as law enforcement moves to enforce laws criminalizing the existence of marginalized groups like trans folk, or for that matter, enforcing corporate interests, such as when ICE raided repair shops in Florida for repairing Apple products without an Apple license (which informed the movement towards right-to-repair legislation).
So yes, France has given us more than a little bit of inspirational history.
Right, didnt see the mention of sabotaging in your comment, makes more sense now
If you do #3 second then you don’t have to do #2!
You don’t have to. But at least try it. Eating meat every day isn’t that healthy.
It’s just completely independent of climate change
I can’t believe I’m getting lectured on a cannibalism joke. You guys are something else…
Ok I didn’t get the cannibalism joke at all.
Eat the rich is the only not plant based diet I support.
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I’m basically on the bottom left just ready to go, why is everyone still not angry enough? Let’s get the grill going so the cooking of the billionaire already, we all take a bite to show commitment to the cause
I really don’t know, we’re in the middle of a second gilded age and nobody gives a fuck
If everyone being oppressed is rallied together then it’s an immensely powerful force, but those at the top are always working to keep us divided, uneducated, and poor.
You can’t unite the people together until you educate them more. You can’t educate them more until you remove them from poverty. You can’t get them out of poverty until you redistribute the wealth. You can’t redistribute the wealth until you forcibly take it from the ruling class. You can’t force my take it until you unite the people together, etc. etc.
That or you wait until food and water is so scarce that the majority of the population becomes concerned if they can survive in the short term. But that’s a wildcard situation that could go in any direction.
Some people still have something to lose, I guess. I’m not sure I have much left, though. Just bills I can currently afford to pay, kind of, barely. I mean, I’m looking for a second job so I can have an easier time paying off a massive dentist bill, and literally no free time, so I got that to look forward to.
But no partner, no kids, it’s just my mom and my dog that keep me from driving my car into someone’s mansion, some days. I’m so tired.
Is there a word for these “four panels but the third one is different” comics? There’s like a million of them.
Is there a word for women who don’t wear makeup, because they feel they don’t need/want it and don’t listen to advertisement telling them they need to?
One of these options is very very much effective than the rest
Meatless Mondays? There’s people who can afford meat every day of the week???
Well, more meat-like substances. They’re meat adjacent, just within a normal human budget.
Most of America can because of subsidies
And none of these make any difference, even if you could force 10.000 people to do the same
Not even bottom left?
